Colt ships arms to the Confederates.

[fireman1]

Colt also shipped revolvers to Russia against sanctions. Prussia confiscated the shipment, kept 1,000 for their navy and then auctioned off the remaining 2,000.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/konigliche-marine-prussian-navy-colt-1851-rig/

 

[Blitz]

Are you trying to say CSA predates the USA?
Bunk!

Blitz

As per the U.S. A. constitution the CSA was an illegal secessionist group of states declaring war on the U.S. A.
Blitz

 

[GYJ]

As per the U.S. A. constitution the CSA was an illegal secessiomist groupe of states declaring war on the U.S. A.
Blitz

So you think the US was supposed to be held together at gun point? No. Take a civics class, read a history book that maybe doesn't follow the popular version of history. Do you have an actual point to make here in responding to a 2yr old post?

 

[Blitz]

So you think the US was supposed to be held together at gun point? No. Take a civics class, read a history book that maybe doesn't follow the popular version of history. Do you have an actual point to make here in responding to a 2yr old post?

It appears that you have made the point for me.

 

[Blitz]

My wife’s family history ( or rumors) talk about how her great great grandfather Col. Ruffin fired the shot at fort Sumpter that started the war. Rumor has it that he was drunk and fired on a US naval ship.
I saw posted where Nathan Bedford Forest took in a large shipment of Colt revolvers. He was actually the founder of the KKK

Great connection. A drunk and a rasecist.
Actually they only cared about money

So you think the US was supposed to be held together at gun point? No. Take a civics class, read a history book that maybe doesn't follow the popular version of history. Do you have an actual point to make here in responding to a 2yr old post?

 

[Blitz]

Go and learn what the phrase "sovereign State" means. You hear it every four years at every national convention, "The sovereign State of Oklahoma proudly casts it's eleven votes for your friend and mine, John Smith".

If you think you come from a sovereign state try telling thar to a cop when you get stopped for something and be sure to let us know how that works out for you SOVERGEIN ha.

 

[GYJ]

It appears that you have made the point for me.

The South never declared war on the North. As I already said, the South seceded and Fort Sumter was on South Carolina soil and deemed a threat to the bay. They were warned to leave the fort or be taken forcefully. Lincoln called up the state militias to put down a "rebellion" and then proceeded to invade the south.

Great connection. A drunk and a rasecist.
Actually they only cared about money

NBF was one of the greatest military leaders our country has ever produced. He formed the Klan because the republican party at the time was forcing freed blacks to vote for them. What it became later was not its original intent.

I ask again, what is your purpose here? You wanna rehash the whole thing all over again? You do realize that people have been arguing about this for 150yrs, right?

 

[Blitz]

The South never declared war on the North. As I already said, the South seceded and Fort Sumter was on South Carolina soil and deemed a threat to the bay. They were warned to leave the fort or be taken forcefully. Lincoln called up the state militias to put down a "rebellion" and then proceeded to invade the south.



NBF was one of the greatest military leaders our country has ever produced. He formed the Klan because the republican party at the time was forcing freed blacks to vote for them. What it became later was not its original intent.

I ask again, what is your purpose here? You wanna rehash the whole thing all over again? You do realize that people have been arguing about this for 150yrs, right?

When I was in the US Army I had many discussions with southerns with similiar views although most finally realized the war was lost a long time ago.
I suppose the troops at fort Sumpter should have said Hey! don!t do that

 

[Blitz]

I’d be interested to know how you extrapolated the notion from his comment.

How about by trying to justify the act of war on the U.S.A. by claiming the troops at the fort were illegally there. that was the gist of his statement and false by any stretch of sovereignty.
1864 was a long time ago.

Blitz

 

[Blitz]

The South never declared war on the North. As I already said, the South seceded and Fort Sumter was on South Carolina soil and deemed a threat to the bay. They were warned to leave the fort or be taken forcefully. Lincoln called up the state militias to put down a "rebellion" and then proceeded to invade the south.



NBF was one of the greatest military leaders our country has ever produced. He formed the Klan because the republican party at the time was forcing freed blacks to vote for them. What it became later was not its original intent.

I ask again, what is your purpose here? You wanna rehash the whole thing all over again? You do realize that people have been arguing about this for 150yrs, right?

Who!s arguing ? The war is long over , almost everyone knows it , but some want to put blame on any one else.
A physical act is a declaration, if you don!t think being fired at is a declaration or act of war you have certainly never been fired at and would not know the difference regardless of the history books you may have read I realize you have a different perspective and that is what you were taught. I have listened to this for years and years many times and will not be convinced of your point of view . History it seems will not be changed.

 

[Darto]

OK then what was your statement about ?

Can you clarify intelligently and without a lot of BS ?

I could but I don't want to play games with someone I do not respect.

 

[Gee Dog]

The US Constitution makes no reference to succession and in that sense it was technically not “against the law”, but as Lincoln said, no nation presides over its own dissolution. It’s interesting that in the Confederate Constitution succession of any Confederate state was specifically prohibited. It’s always been universally recognized that any sovereign entity can legitimately resist being forceably disassembled. The southern oligarchs were hot for war and so the war came. It was all very unnecessary. As the Frenchman said, in another context, “it was worse than a crime, it was a mistake.”

 

[bpd303]

1864 was a long time ago.

Yet we still fight about it and some factions are trying to erase history.