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Rudyard, I should have guessed that you have an escopeta or two under your gunmaker's belt! :cool:
I will revisit the museums in Santa Fe and Albuquerque once back in the state -- and Kit Carson's wonderful old home in Taos. It seems there may have been an escopeta at the Coronado Historic Site in Bernalillo on the Rio Grande. I remember lance heads, morions and cuirasses on display, but can't recall any firearms.
Sam, book a window seat for me, will ya? 😅
 
Rudyard mentions "belt hook". The Spanish seemed obsessed with the use of belt hooks for much of their gun building. Today, you will see more Spanish pistols with belt hooks than not. Even their military light carbine length guns meant for cavalry use included a LONG belt type hook for attachment to the saddle I'm guessing.

Rick
 
CVA did produce a miquelet pistol, a longer one and a small pocket pistol. I think RickySTL had one. Maybe the molds or whatever are still in a drawer somewhere in Spain……
 
Sam squanch said:
CVA did produce a miquelet pistol, a longer one and a small pocket pistol. I think RickySTL had one. Maybe the molds or whatever are still in a drawer somewhere in Spain……
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Here's their ad from back in the 1980's (I think). I have two of the boot pistols. But I've never seen one of the belt pistols come up for sale second-hand.

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BillinOregon said:
Rudyard, I should have guessed that you have an escopeta or two under your gunmaker's belt! :cool:
I will revisit the museums in Santa Fe and Albuquerque once back in the state -- and Kit Carson's wonderful old home in Taos. It seems there may have been an escopeta at the Coronado Historic Site in Bernalillo on the Rio Grande. I remember lance heads, morions and cuirasses on display, but can't recall any firearms.
Sam, book a window seat for me, will ya? 😅
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Dear Bill .Yes but only one My friend took me to a viewing of pre Columbia art . I might have notes on my museum visit I was thinking more of Catalonian Civil guards but the styles the same My lock might be Algerian copy but was all I had & I thought it suitable .
"Ola y qua tal Y un muy bwenos dias ,Senyours y Senyores y todo el mundi'. Soon las Radio Gilbralter !" There that exhausts my Spanish for one day . (I worked on Gilbralter over Xmas 1965 we used feet & Inches but described them in Spanish & from my Moroccan laborer learned much useful Morracan words like ' Please" " Thankyou" "How Much?" & "Too much"! All the usefull stuff! .However this strays from Escopetas .
Oh my poor Spanish translates (I think) to" Hello !& hows things?"Gentllemen & Ladies & all the World . This is Radio Gilbralter ! followed by the tune of old Ladies who sweeps the sky 70 times as high as the moon . Very usefull ? on a pop channel .
Pics hoperfully show old & My got up example made primerally to use up the much worn belt hook
Regards Rudyard.

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Rudyard: Thanks for the photos. That's a good example of a longer belt-type hook for a Spanish carbine length gun. They really did seem to have to include these hooks with most of their gun builds, both military and sporting. LOL
 
Wasn’t there a US company that made one? Based in Indiana maybe? Long name, like an Indian name, started with an “N”? They made French guns too?
 
Sam squanch said:
Wasn’t there a US company that made one? Based in Indiana maybe? Long name, like an Indian name, started with an “N”? They made French guns too?
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Dear Sam. You got me foxed I cant recall any such firm who made escopetas but that might not mean much. Only long Indian name I can think of would be Pecatonica not sure where their based Garrys Leather his son might know their Indiana based . Narraganset ? They where full of ideas sold guns used to set up at Friendship shoots . actually the two are linked in an unfortunate way one of their trade guns burst .N s
Regards Rudyard
 
Clark Badgett said:
I certainly have not overlooked the Spanish involvement in our history. Sitting in my parts bin is a TRS kit of the 1757 Spanish musket. Just waiting on ordering a barrel. (still researching the details)
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Hi Clark. I just recently sold one of the Spanish made replicas from the 1980's.
 


Not an escopeta with a catalan style stock, but I got this Miquelet lock musket from loyalist arms. He said he has a few more, last time we spoke.
 
sussexmuzllodr said:
Ashton did you have to put a little into it to make it function?
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Not at all, it functioned out of the box. Loyalist arms works on them before they ship them out. I do plan to resand/reprofile the fore-end to be more sleek, however it's perfectly functional.
 
BillinOregon said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, laugh all you want. But I have been thinking about escopetas ahead of moving back to New Mexico and it occurred to me that if there was decent demand for one -- and a decent miquelet lock was available-- I bet Jim could sell dozens of them. Once you get up off the floor and your sides don't hurt any more, share your thoughts.
It continues to bug me that the Spanish occupation of North America gets almost zero attention.
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Neat idea, but I am pretty sure the economy of scale for development and machining, Kibler needs to anticipate selling thousands, in a sustained market, to be feasible.
 

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