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I thought I would pass this information on for those that may have been experiencing misfires on their percussion rifles. Mine is a custom built Hawken with a Green Mt. barrel. The information I am passing on was gleaned from some previous threads that I researched. I learned a lot from these threads. Mind you, I have been shooting percussion rifles going back to the 80s with a few years in between that I switched over to blackpowder cartridge and came back to muzzle loaders during the pandemic.

I started having problems last year with an occaisonal misfire on this rifle. I pulled the rifle out last week to make sure my load and sights were good so I could take advantage of some late season deer hunting. I got off 3 shots then a misfire. I poured a little powder below the nipple and it went off. Then it did it again, This time I could not get the powder charge to go off. I went through several caps and powder under the nipple. Luckily I have compressed air in my hangar so walked in there and shot air through the nipple and out popped the charge. My first thought was bad primers that I had for 20 years that were not hot enought. I switched to new CCIs. No go on them either. They would go off but not set off the powder charge. I thought maybe bad Hot Shot nipple. Again, no good results. I then swabbed the barrel with a very wet patch and ran a fine piece of safety wire down the powder channel then blew compressed air through it. That did the trick for 4 shots. Light bulb went on that the powder channel would get fouled after just a few shots. I take blame on this because I have not been running soapy water through the barrel in a long time. I would just take bore cleaner and clean thorougly, so I thought. Lesson learned. I have never had this problem with my Lymans or TC. I would occaisonally flush the barrels on them and I guess that was good enough for awhile.

Anyway, I had bought a borescope on Amazon for an automotive project and decided to use it on the barrel. You can see how bad the fouling was even after using a brass scraper. The scraper does not go down into the breech which some posts eluded to. I then modified one and it still did not get deep enough for a good fouling scrape. It needs to be kind of rounded shape to conform the the breech. The best results I got was taking a brass .54 cal. bore brush and cutting off the end where it is twisted and ran that down a damp bore. That almost got all of it. The rest came out with warm soap and water soak in a bucket for an hour. Well at least that is how long it took me to eat supper and relax for a bit. A good drying with patches and a blow with compressed air did the trick. You can see this in the last photo.

My laziness caused this plus a finicky barrel. No rust issues at all. I have shot about 100 rounds through this rifle and I don't think the barrel has settled down yet. Because it is hard to load by the 3rd shot no matter what powder brand I shoot. Someone suggested to use a jag that is .030" smaller than the bore and stepped down .010" per ring. I did that and it works better. I also coned the barrel and that helps with loading but it is finicky about patch thickness.

Now, what I am going to do with my Kibler SMR that I can't be taking the barrel off each time I clean it? I guess I will have to figure that out too. :)

If you want to see something scary, use a bore scope to look down your barrel. :eek:
 

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As you so clearly illustrate the patent breech is not the problem, the lack of using plenty of water to slouch around in the bore is all. Cleaning a muzzleloader is as easy as pie using the time tested process of a bucket of water. You can heat it, add soap or use it straight from the stream but plenty of water has worked for generations. Here’s my patent breech of over 40 years that has never seen a scraper, brush or anything other than a jag and patch with water and a dab of soap.
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@Crew Chief note what @Phil Coffins told you above. These patent breeches are only as problematic as we make them. The next time you shoot plug the nipple with a vacuum hose plug and fill it with water. Have a cup of coffee or a cold one then dump it out and clean by pumping water through it in a bucket with the nipple removed. Be careful of what you put in after cleaning.
 
I thought I would pass this information on for those that may have been experiencing misfires on their percussion rifles. Mine is a custom built Hawken with a Green Mt. barrel. The information I am passing on was gleaned from some previous threads that I researched. I learned a lot from these threads. Mind you, I have been shooting percussion rifles going back to the 80s with a few years in between that I switched over to blackpowder cartridge and came back to muzzle loaders during the pandemic.

I started having problems last year with an occaisonal misfire on this rifle. I pulled the rifle out last week to make sure my load and sights were good so I could take advantage of some late season deer hunting. I got off 3 shots then a misfire. I poured a little powder below the nipple and it went off. Then it did it again, This time I could not get the powder charge to go off. I went through several caps and powder under the nipple. Luckily I have compressed air in my hangar so walked in there and shot air through the nipple and out popped the charge. My first thought was bad primers that I had for 20 years that were not hot enought. I switched to new CCIs. No go on them either. They would go off but not set off the powder charge. I thought maybe bad Hot Shot nipple. Again, no good results. I then swabbed the barrel with a very wet patch and ran a fine piece of safety wire down the powder channel then blew compressed air through it. That did the trick for 4 shots. Light bulb went on that the powder channel would get fouled after just a few shots. I take blame on this because I have not been running soapy water through the barrel in a long time. I would just take bore cleaner and clean thorougly, so I thought. Lesson learned. I have never had this problem with my Lymans or TC. I would occaisonally flush the barrels on them and I guess that was good enough for awhile.

Anyway, I had bought a borescope on Amazon for an automotive project and decided to use it on the barrel. You can see how bad the fouling was even after using a brass scraper. The scraper does not go down into the breech which some posts eluded to. I then modified one and it still did not get deep enough for a good fouling scrape. It needs to be kind of rounded shape to conform the the breech. The best results I got was taking a brass .54 cal. bore brush and cutting off the end where it is twisted and ran that down a damp bore. That almost got all of it. The rest came out with warm soap and water soak in a bucket for an hour. Well at least that is how long it took me to eat supper and relax for a bit. A good drying with patches and a blow with compressed air did the trick. You can see this in the last photo.

My laziness caused this plus a finicky barrel. No rust issues at all. I have shot about 100 rounds through this rifle and I don't think the barrel has settled down yet. Because it is hard to load by the 3rd shot no matter what powder brand I shoot. Someone suggested to use a jag that is .030" smaller than the bore and stepped down .010" per ring. I did that and it works better. I also coned the barrel and that helps with loading but it is finicky about patch thickness.

Now, what I am going to do with my Kibler SMR that I can't be taking the barrel off each time I clean it? I guess I will have to figure that out too. :)

If you want to see something scary, use a bore scope to look down your barrel. :eek:
Kibler don't have a patent breech. I take my flinter apart 1 a year for maintenance. For everyday cleaning I just put a tooth pick in either the touchole or nipple fill the barrel 3/4 full of water and soak. Dump water wipe until clean and oil. At the range I wipe with Simple green. I hesitated to post this because now you will get 100 posts on how to clean your gun
 
Kibler don't have a patent breech. I take my flinter apart 1 a year for maintenance. For everyday cleaning I just put a tooth pick in either the touchole or nipple fill the barrel 3/4 full of water and soak. Dump water wipe until clean and oil. At the range I wipe with Simple green. I hesitated to post this because now you will get 100 posts on how to clean your gun
So true on the opinions on how to clean a ML. I caused my own problem due to laziness. As I mentioned, I never had that problem with the other percussions but this one seems to need more attention. Lesson learned. Totally agree with @Phil Coffins.
 
i don't give the patent breech much attention.

IME: "Flushing"is a primary cause of misfires.

1. This Zen hard bristle pipe cleaner does a good job of cleaning the flash channel.

https://pipesmagazine.com/forums/th...tle-pipe-cleaners-for-regular-cleaning.98766/

2. A copper brush on a cleaning rod clears the patent breech.

3. After loading the powder, lean the rifle lock side down and smack the stock a couple time. This allows powder ro enter the flash channel.




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