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So why bother tuning a new in the box open top? Simple answer is most need work to be reliable shooters. Uberti suffers from the short arbor which has been beat on pretty hard in other threads. There is a certain individual on this forum that has been absolutely against what tuners do to improve these pistols. So in spite of this fellow I am gonna give a rundown on what is done during a typical tuning job.
First and foremost correct the arbor. It's a big deal on the large horse pistols as they can and do beat themselves into a paperweight. Arbor correction has been discussed in detail elsewhere.
Timing and install a bolt guide, a bolt guide is a piece if hardened steel that goes between the frame and the bolt/cylinder stop. It keeps the bolt head traveling in the same plane. In spite of another guys opinion you cannot get precision timing without a bolt guide.
Make and install music wire torsion springs for the bolt and trigger. These replace the flat combination spring which is prone to breakage.
Install a Ruger type plunger and spring for hand tension. Gets rid of the flat spring on the hand. I use a stainless steel plunger and spring. This setup is much more reliable and not prone to breakage.
Install an action shield and stop. Action shield prevents cap fragments from entering the revolver's innards and jamming the works. There are several ways to attach the shield to the hammer. The action stop is installed to prevent damage by limiting how far the hammer can travel at cylinder lockup. It's an important addition for the CAS and fast draw guys. It helps limit wear and over travel and breakage of internal parts
Cap post, This is a small finger that is installed in the hammer slot to prevent cap fragments from getting into the slot under the hammer. A lot of cap and ball revolvers will pull spent caps off the nipples on the cylinder and drop those pieces into the hammer slot. Cap post also deflects blow back gasses from the nipple. Case in point a pocket pistol that would blow the hammer back to the half cock notch. After the cap post was installed that issue was gone.
One of the optional things I offer is to chamfer the cylinder throats so the ball doesn't shave lead when loaded. I set up my revolvers with a.002 barrel to cylinder gap, those lead rings can and do lock up the cylinder. I prefer the ball to be swaged into place with no shaving of lead. I have yet to see any thing documented from Colt or Remington about shaving lead from a ball during loading. Again this is an option.
So there it is in a nutshell. For those of you that are interested this a brief rundown of things that can be done to improve these pistols. My major recommendation is fix the short arbor on the Ubertis. Pietta fixed it on their stuff but occasionally one slips through. For those of you that are new to this please take that fellow who is gonna be commenting on this in a negative way with a huge grain of salt, he does not understand the single action platform.
Let the discussion begin.
 
I've done a lot of this on my Uberti 60 Army. Cylinder to barrel gap is .002, the front of the cylinder doesn't get dirty. I run 25grs minimum, usually 30grs+, and my gun runs like a sewing machine, it's an absolute joy to cycle the action. I run SlikShot nipples, I watched someone else shoot my gun last week. The spent, splattered caps were rolling out every time he cocked the gun.
I'm publicly vouching for everything said.
 
I've done a lot of this on my Uberti 60 Army. Cylinder to barrel gap is .002, the front of the cylinder doesn't get dirty. I run 25grs minimum, usually 30grs+, and my gun runs like a sewing machine, it's an absolute joy to cycle the action. I run SlikShot nipples, I watched someone else shoot my gun last week. The spent, splattered caps were rolling out every time he cocked the gun.
I'm publicly vouching for everything said.
Thanks, nice to have some support after a certain party went on the attack.
 
I thank you for opening this up as a discussion item and listing what you do to make them work better. The the He Who Shall not be Named, well there is one in every crowd and you base their assessment on respect, no respect and you ignore them (I don't read his posts, you or Mike response is all that is needed). Respect is earned. You can tell the flippery types easily enough (you do need some grounding in the tech aspects and I will be the first to admit its taken me time to get up to speed on BP revolvers).

I have one question currently, I am not familiar with the to assist the bolt with a bolt guide Is that a weakness in the original design or is it a modern replica issue? Open top only or both Open and top Strap?

The other one is getting the high shooting under control. Mine is, I made my own front sight and soldered it on. I am something of a dweeb in fabrication. I tend to get the job done but its not sightly (pun not intended but not ignored). Do you have an adjustable system to allow a person to tune it to what suits them?

The ROA while not under this conversation also suffers the shooting way too high (I base that on 25 yards which I grew up with as a normal target distance, these days shooters tend to 5 yards but I like 25 yards as I have fun with trying for accuracy - gongs would be a hoot but not allowed). I did an ugly mod and can now tune a post to the right area (the 47 Walker is fixed though I have an idea for that now as well).
 
Hey Smokerr, the bolt guide is to keep the bolt from walking around on it's pivot screw. Ideally there should be about .003 clearance between the guide and the bolt head. It keeps the bolt head traveling in the same vertical plane. what is interesting is it will reveal a hand that is short. That shows up as late timing with cylinder lockup at full cock. As to the sights unfortunately I don't have an adjustable setup. I think some type of sight could be dovetailed to the breech end of the barrel and be made to work. Some of the Dragoons had a 3 leaf sight like an express rifle sight. I have not found such a sight to commercially available. Hmmm, gives one food for thought.
 
Forgot on the bolt guide issue, yes it's a common thing to both replicas and modern single actions, even Rugers.
 
I don't have an adjustable setup. I think some type of sight could be dovetailed to the breech end of the barrel and be made to work. Some of the Dragoons had a 3 leaf sight like an express rifle sight. I have not found such a sight to commercially available. Hmmm, gives one food for thought.

It seems that they shoot quite a bit different across the board with the same guns, ergo, adjustable seems a way to go though I guess you could make one extra high and file it down to suit.

The one I built for the ROA had a miniature Partridge type shape to it - ergo not amendable to filing. I made it out of a screw so I could cut it down at the bottom making sure it was extra high to start with. Only downside was it came loose under shooting, all I needed to do was add a nut and cinch down, it should be good to go. If that loosens up then I can epoxy it. I have it about where I want it.
 
I am having trouble understanding exactly what the bolt guide is and how to install it. Here is a case where a picture or sketch would be worth a thousand words to me.
I will see if I can figure out a way to post pics here. The bolt guide is a small rectangular piece of steel that goes inside the frame under the trigger guard in the gap between the frame and the bolt. A picture would probably be a better way to describe it.
 
Here are all the things that are wrong with the (insert whatever) that you has been (working fine) for a couple of years now.

I can fix all of this for you for only (How much I want to stiff you for) a small price to pay for peace of mind.

I love it when these guys try to drum up business.

Shouldn't this be an advertisement?
 
Hey Smokerr, the bolt guide is to keep the bolt from walking around on it's pivot screw. Ideally there should be about .003 clearance between the guide and the bolt head. It keeps the bolt head traveling in the same vertical plane. what is interesting is it will reveal a hand that is short. That shows up as late timing with cylinder lockup at full cock. As to the sights unfortunately I don't have an adjustable setup. I think some type of sight could be dovetailed to the breech end of the barrel and be made to work. Some of the Dragoons had a 3 leaf sight like an express rifle sight. I have not found such a sight to commercially available. Hmmm, gives one food for thought.
Maybe if we ask real nice Uberti will do it again… 1979 date code.
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Here are all the things that are wrong with the (insert whatever) that you has been (working fine) for a couple of years now.

I can fix all of this for you for only (How much I want to stiff you for) a small price to pay for peace of mind.

I love it when these guys try to drum up business.

Shouldn't this be an advertisement?
My 2 cents. In the case of Mike, 45D, he has posted very detailed information for anyone that wants to DIY. For free. It has been invaluable to me. If that happens to generate customers I have no problem with it. This forum is great in that most people are willing to share their "secrets" for making your guns and shooting better. It's up to the individual to pick and chose.
 
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