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    Renegade to 58 caliber

    Glad someone asked this question as I've also been thinking of sending a 50 cal Renegade barrel to Bob to have him rebore it out to 58 cal. Just curious, have you found the 26" rebored barrel to be as accurate (or roughly as accurate) as your 32" barrel?? I have a 32" GM barrel in 58 that is...
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    Rice barrels

    Dean2 - I understand your logic in using 4140 steel if it's fact much stronger, just as easy to machine, and roughly the same price as the commonly used other steel. I get your argument. Added pros with no cons. Makes sense. Your indicate your preference towards the better steel. To your...
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    Light loads in a Lyman GPR 54

    Interesting that when you increase the charge from 40grs to 80grs of FF, you pick up roughly 400 fps, but when you increase the charge from 80grs to 120grs, you only pick up roughly 200 fps. And in each case, you adding an extra 40grs. Yup those 10gr increments when you're under 80gr really...
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    Light loads in a Lyman GPR 54

    1,100 fps with only 40 gr FFF...that's movin' a lot faster than I'd expect. Just curious what your 'ol book shows for 80 gr FFF. Bet it's not 2,200 (or double the 40 gr FFF load). Just goes to show ya that once you reach a certain point adding bp, although you gain fps, you do so at a...
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    Light loads in a Lyman GPR 54

    Wow, I've never heard of anyone shooting a 25 gr load in a 54. In a 50, yes, but never in a 54. Thanks for sharing your results. I always thought the the lightest you could go was 1 gr for every cal size....so 50 gr in a 50 cal, 54 gr in a 54 cal, etc. Must plan on a "light load" day at the...
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    pillow ticking

    Well you have your choice. You can either cut ticking into strips, lube the strip, lay across muzzle, center ball on strip over muzzle, seat ball into muzzle, and then cut remaining strip. This method producess a perfectly round patch. The only drawback to this is that I found over time I...
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    Square patch sizes

    I do something very similar using the 2.3 multiplier except that I use the caliber and not the ball diameter, but the results aren't much different than your's. 50 cal = 0.50 * 2.3 = 1.15" patch 54 cal = 0.54 * 2.3 = 1.25" 58 cal = 0.58 * 2.3 = 1.35" These patches seem to offer the best...
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    Different caps affecting accuracy?

    I recently purchased a few tins of CCI Standards (which I've never used) while I also have a nice supply of CCI mags. Once the craziness of the holidays subsides, I'm gonna due some serious testing comparing the 2 types...including not only groups at various ranges but also cleaniness tests...
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    CCI Standard Cap vs CCI Mag Cap

    Ron - I also learned something watching your video and I've been shooting BP for 20 years. Very interesting. Seems like that for target shooting with BP, there isn't going to be an issue using the Standard caps vs Magnum. That's the answer I was looking for. Thanks to everyone who responded...
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    CCI Standard Cap vs CCI Mag Cap

    We all know about the cap shortage over the last 3-4 years. Well I have an opportunity to purchase some CCI Standard #11 caps but only have experience with the Mag caps. If I'm only planning on igniting real BP (in a sidelock) as opposed to BP substitutes, is there much of a difference between...
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    Dutch' s ratio 7:1 ???

    "From an almost one hole group with the best to an 8 inch group or bigger with the worst." Yeah, really amazing how just changing the water:ballistol mix has that much of an effect. Of course it's close to impossible to everything constant as you only change the lube mix. One day I shoot at...
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    Dutch' s ratio 7:1 ???

    I agree with the first part; to achieve repeatable lube (and hence repeatable accuracy) results, you must mix a precise ballistol part:water part mixture. So imo once you soak a ticking strip in a mixture, you cannot add either more water (or Ballistol) to the remaining mixture as then you'll...
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    New to me Navy Arms .58 Hawken Hunter

    Old Ford - I hear you loud 'n clear on your suggestion about using a wad or 2 in the higher loads. My standing rule of thumb if using anything over 75 grs FF (regardless of cal) is to use 2 felt wads or 20 grs of Indian Head cornmeal over the powder charge. It's not like I blow a patch...
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    Round Groove Patch Thicknesses

    Dixie - Good info re your success with chamois patches. I've used many kinds of patch material, but never chamois. Just curious, where are you guys buying your chamois and what is it's at rest thickness (caliper measurement)? Looking at Joanne's Fabric online, I see the chamois prices all over...
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    Pedersoli Missouri river hawken

    Very good suggestions made here and I'd try every one of them if I were in your shoes. You just purchased a nice gun. If the PRBs don't work and you don't want to get it rebored into a larger cal size, still another option is to use a 0.440 RB in the "unmentionable plastic cup" designed to...
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    The Dutch Shoultz Shooting System is awesome

    That's excellent shooting imo. I've been lucky nuff to produce a few of those lookin' targets...but at 25 yards. After years of mulling it over thinking I could just experiment long enough and figure things out on my own, I just have to order the system and be done with it. What kind of rifle...
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    Round Groove Patch Thicknesses

    Yeah, absolutely experiment with trying undersized balls in the barrels you already own. My .440 RBs shot so accurate in my 50 cal Trade rifle with the 2 0.030 patches that I gave up on my idea of purchasing a 45 cal Hawken. I guess I had one all the time and didn't even realize it. :wink:
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    Round Groove Patch Thicknesses

    Yup, that's my guess. I've only used pillow ticking 0.015-0.018 so far....a few yards from Wally Word and JoAnn's. Next time I'm at JoAnn's I'll include about the mattress ticking which is advertised to be about .007 or so thicker and also about double the price of the pillow ticking on...
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    Round Groove Patch Thicknesses

    Never heard of pillow ticking that thick. Not trying to be a stickler, but do you mean mattress ticking at 0.028? If you do in fact mean pillow ticking, where did you happen to find it that thick? I've bought more than my share at Wally World and Jo-Ann Fabric and have never measured anything...
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    Speaking of the virtues of the deadly roundball...

    Agreed. Two of the most notable quotes in my opinion: "But when it comes to killing game with muzzleloaders I can tell you faithfully, at ranges of 200 yards and less from muzzleloaders, in guns of 54 caliber and larger, overall nothing beat a hard round ball in killing game. I sincerely wish...
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