0 in 42 Inches

[Rebel]

Now that i have your attention. :grin: I took my Jackie Brown Carolina smoothbore out today to try and work up a turkey load. Still not good past 20 yds, Guess i will have to get close to one. While i was out i tried a few shots with rd balls. The pictures show 2 of the targets. The first one was with a patched ball over 80 grs of Goex 3f and half a lubed fiber cushion wad. I pulled the 1 high shot out of the group a bit. The second pic is 80 gr Goex 3f, an over powder wad, half a lubed fiber wad, a bare .600 rd ball, and a thin overshot card. I think if i can get close to a deer or elk it will do the job ok. Those are only 3 shot groups, and were fired with my elbows resting on a folding table. The groups were shot at 25 yds. The pics aren't real good, but the second group is all one ragged hole on the edge of the black which is about a 1" black circle on the paper plates.

 

Who sez zero in forty-eight ain't accurate is full of male bovine man....... :rotf: Great shootin. Bill

 

[Rebel]

Actually, mine is 0 in 42", but whos counting? :grin: Thanks Bill. Take care.

 

[sidelock]

Great shootin. SEE, IT CAN BE DONE FOLKS. :hatsoff: :hatsoff:

 

[Wes/Tex]

Not bad there Skippy! (I can call him that!) Ought to be potent deer medicine though a bit light during Sasquatch season!! How big those critters get during the rut anywho? :blah: :rotf:

As for turkey, you might give a paper shot cup a try. I know Roundball put a how-to on one of these sites some time ago, he may jump in and tell where. Believe he used Post-It sheets for his. I've used heavy rag paper and 3X5 note cards for a heavier one. Just make tubes like they have for coins and fold the ends in the same way. With post card stock you need to stop short of wrapping around twice by about 1/16" to allow it to split open after it leaves the bore or it'll fly on down range like a big old wadcutter...Not good, Kimosabe!

 

[musketman]

Now all you need is a deer to walk by with it's vitial areas covered with paper plates... :winking: :grin:

Nice shooting there Hoss... :thumbsup:

 

[Rebel]

Thanks guys. Wes, i tried the paper shot cups today. The first one i fired went through like a slug. The whole thing went through the neck though, so it definately would have killed a tukey. :grin: I didn't split that one at all. I tried a few more after splitting them about a 1/3 of the way down, but still couldn't get a decent pattern past 20 yds., although no more slug effects. Will just have to get close, or fire a rd ball at them. :grin: I was using brown paper bags for the cups. I think i am going to have it jug choked after the spring season so i can use it for the fall season at hopefully a little longer range. I wouldn't go much past 30 yds even with a choke though. Sure hope it still shoots as well with rd balls after having it done though. Any body know if the hydraulic tubing barrels Jackie uses can be jug choked? The barrel wall thickness should be plenty.

 

[Rebel]

Don't your deer back east have the plates on their sides? :grin: Thanks for posting the pics for me MM. Do you know why the title of this post changed to just 1 in 48? It was "1 in 48", who needs it?"

 

[musketman]

Do you know why the title of this post changed to just 1 in 48? It was "1 in 48", who needs it?"

Actually no, top executive decision I'm guessing, but there is enough fuel in the 1:48 inch fire throughout the forum...

Perhaps I could change it to 0 in 42 twist and be done with it... :hmm:

But back to your gun and it's capabilities, will you be working up a turkey load for this as well?

 

[Rebel]

I was working on a turkey load today. I still can't seem to get a decent pattern past 20 yds. I am seriously thinking about having it jug choked,(after the spring season), but i sure hate to take a chance on messing up the rd ball accuracy. If you want to change the title of the post go ahead. That 0 in 42" sounds ok. Take care.

 

[musketman]

I was working on a turkey load today. I still can't seem to get a decent pattern past 20 yds. I am seriously thinking about having it jug choked,(after the spring season), but i sure hate to take a chance on messing up the rd ball accuracy.

I would save jug choking it as a last resort, especially with the round ball groups you are getting...

There are various methods for shooting shot that you can still try first...

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  1. Powder, O/P card, fiber wad, shot, O/S card
  2. Powder, two O/P cards, shot, O/S card
  3. Powder, O/P card, wasp nest paper, shot, O/S card
  4. Powder, O/P card, paper shot cup, shot, O/S card
  5. Powder, modern shot cup, shot, O/S card
  6. Powder, O/P card, fiber wad, shot w/cornmeal buffer, O/S card
  7. Powder, two O/P cards, wasp nest paper, paper shot cup, shot, O/S card
  8. Powder, O/P card, fiber wad, extra shot, O/S card

The options goes on, nothing is set in stone, but jug choking is perminant outside of cutting the barrel down to remove it...

 

[Rebel]

I think i tried all of those except the ones with the wasp nest. Don't have any of that. Guess i will just keep on keepin' on and see what develops. And yea, i know what ya mean about the jug choking. I would hate to mess up the rd ball grouping. I guess i just have to work on the shot loads, OR, get the turkeys closer. Best i got today was 8 #5 shot in the head and neck on a turkey target(Thanks for that site Hoyt). But it wasn't consistant. Will just have to go shoot it some more, darn it. :grin:

 

[paulvallandigham]

Get some 3M post-it note at a office supply store, and use those for the shot wads. cut to size, and wrap around a mandrill two times, and glue. Use their glue. Its cheaper. then put a undersize 1/2 cushion wad into the end of the tube and crimp it like you would a paper roll of nickels. Melt wax in a can that sits in a pan of boiling water( a double boiler), and put a piece of wax paper on the counter next to your stove. With the paper wad still on the mandrill dip the crimped end into the wax, and then put it on the wax paper to cool and dry. Slip the mandrill out of the tube after pushing the crimped end down firmly on the countertop, on top of the waxed paper, so smash the crimp smooth. when you finish a batch, you can take scissors and cut 4 cuts about half way down the sides of the top, after you trim to the lenth of your shot charge. The two layers of thick paper will protect the shot from deformation as it moves down the barrel, the wax will actually melt and make your fouling softer, the card wad over the powder will scrape the wax ahead of it out the barrel, and the shot cup will open up a few feet outside of the barrel and release the shot. By using 1/2 of a cushion wad, the wad will not follow the shot and punch a hole in the pattern.

To get a denser and more consistent shot pattern, use nickel plated shot. Its expensive, but one bag will last you many years of hunting. If you are target shooting, switch to cheaper lead shot, without the plating. I also like #5 shot for its down range pellet energy and performance. If you use the nickel plated #5 shot, you should have no problem killing a turkey with any head or neck hit out to 30 yds or a little further. The same shot will kill pheasant out to 60 yds with one pellet to the head.

 

[Rebel]

Thanks for the advice. I am going to try to find some plated shot and give it a try. I have heard about putting shot in an oven on a low temp to harden it, but don't remember the temp or for how long. Does anyone know if that actually works?

 

[Hoyt]

I use nickle plated shot for turkey..the shot is supposed to slip between the feathers better than regular lead and give better penetration.
I get mine from Midway

 

[Mike Brooks]

How much shot are you using?

 

[musketman]

Thanks for the advice. I am going to try to find some plated shot and give it a try. I have heard about putting shot in an oven on a low temp to harden it, but don't remember the temp or for how long. Does anyone know if that actually works?

I would do this outside over hot coals in an old roaster, using the inside oven raises a red flag since you will be cooking your meals in there as well...

Perhaps it's just my paranoia...

 

[Flintleather]

Hey Rebel how do you like that Carolina? I want to have Jackie make me one but mine will be rifled 54cal oct-to-round,brass mounted,with a sliding wood patchbox and a Chambers early Ketland lock.I like simple guns and Jackie seems to cater to my wants.

 

[paulvallandigham]

Rebel: heating treating lead does nothing to harden it. ONly adding other metals does that. Hard shot is made that way by adding increasing amounts of antimony. Shot is sold as " chilled, which is very soft, hard, and magnum. The later has the highest percentage of antimony, but that is only about 3% if I remember correctly.

Plated shot is harder because of the metal used to plate. Copper is soft, and only a little harder than lead. Because most copper plated shot has such a thin gilding, the shot is not much harder.

Nickel is a much harder metal, and nickel plated shot will maintain its shape much better going down the barrel, and on impact. Midway, Ballistics Products all sell Nickel plated shot. It is expensive, but if you only use it in your turkey loads, one bag is going to last you many years. You certainly don't need to use plated shot to kill dove, pheasant, or quail.

 

[Rebel]

Thanks Hoyt, i'll check them out. I would like to find some locally if possible so i don't have to pay the high shipping charges on it.