1850’s Fowler markings

[Jim Comer]

Can anyone tell me about these markings it also appears to be stamped T PHILL is that the maker?

 

[52Bore]

Birmingham proof marks.
T Phill and ‘twisted’ look to be the same stamps - probably the barrel maker unless the name also appears on top of barrel or lock.
You should be able to research on the internet.

 

[Eterry]

I think the maker's Family name was Steele, his Christian name was Twisted...

I couldn't resist...

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Birmingham proof marks.
T Phill and ‘twisted’ look to be the same stamps - probably the barrel maker unless the name also appears on top of barrel or lock.
You should be able to research on the internet.
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52Bore is correct, and so is your prior information. The youngest that barrel is would be 1868

LD

 

[Jim Comer]

Birmingham proof marks.
T Phill and ‘twisted’ look to be the same stamps - probably the barrel maker unless the name also appears on top of barrel or lock.
You should be able to research on the internet.
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no name anywhere else on the barrel, Thanks

 

[Jim Comer]

52Bore is correct, and so is your prior information. The youngest that barrel is would be 1868

LD

52 Bore? what Gauge would that be? I am new to Fowlers

 

[52Bore]

52 Bore? what Gauge would that be? I am new to Fowlers

From the photo you shown there is no bore designation, so from the chart that would be pre-1855.

 

[Jim Comer]

From the photo you shown there is no bore designation, so from the chart that would be pre-1855.

sorry miss read one of the comments his name is 52 Bore that's what happens when you get old, one stated post 1868 and you state Per 1855 how do you tell? Thanks

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
Twisted means the steel and iron strips or wires used to weld the barrel were twisted before welding together. This produced a nice pattern to the barrel when browned.

dave

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

T Phill was probably the maker of that piece. Thomas Phillips perhaps? Any pictures of the full gun? It could then possibly be identified as American or English. Many American gunmakers used English barrels.

 

[Jim Comer]

T Phill was probably the maker of that piece. Thomas Phillips perhaps? Any pictures of the full gun? It could then possibly be identified as American or English. Many American gunmakers used English barrels.

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

That is a beautiful piece!!

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

What does the engraving on the lock say? I can’t make it out.

 

[Jim Comer]

What does the engraving on the lock say? I can’t make it out.

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

Looks like Kilpatrick.

Wonder what @Feltwad thinks.

 

[Eterry]

Can anyone tell me about these markings it also appears to be stamped T PHILL is that the maker?
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The full pics show a really nice looking smoothbore. What does the bore measure? You can use a tape measure, and ive seen guys use coins to get an idea of bore size.

 

[Jim Comer]

The full pics show a really nice looking smoothbore. What does the bore measure? You can use a tape measure, and ive seen guys use coins to get an idea of bore size.

It measures right at .670

 

[Eterry]

It measures right at .670

The 16 bore was, and is, very popular.