1858 Remington

[dennis benedict]

I have a 1858 Remington which is my first Remy. I have always had Colts. I would like to know from the people who shoot Remingtons, what loads do you shoot. I loaded mine with a load of Goex 3F of 30 grs with a wad and a .454ball. When I seated the ball, the ball went half way down the chamber. I want to try T7 and Pyrodex pellets of 30 grs next with the wad and .454 ball. Do I still need to use a filler to get the ball closer to the edge of the chamber? Thank you for your help. Dennis.

 

[napolean]

Hi Penn.45,
In my Rem. I load 28 gr. 3F and a .451 RB. I do not use the under ball wads. I seat my bullet as far as the rammer will go and my ball is only about 3/16" of an inch below the cylinder face. Just enough room for a layer of half & half tallow and beeswax lube. I get just a little compression on the powder, but enough.
Jon

 

[tnlonghunter]

I've shot mine with 20, 25, and 30 grains of 3Fg GOEX, a wonderwad, and a .454 ball. I did not worry at all about filler for any of the loads and did not find any significant effects on accuracy. I'm pretty sure I'm going to stick with the 25 grain charge, which seems to sit around 3/16" to 1/4" or so below the rim of the cylinder. I got an old-timer with lots of experience from my club to help me out with it, and he said that he never found any good reason to bother with the fillers.

 

[token tory]

Using a Uberti '58 rem replica, I was able to get one big ragged hole @ 15 yds with a .454 ball & a .357 mag case full of BP substitute. That comes out to about 27.5 Gr by volume I'm told. There was a wonderwad seated on top of the powder & the ball seemed to be about 1/4" back in the cylinder when I checked. This did not seem to have a poor effect on accuracy. :hmm:

'Course it might just be beginners luck too as I'm very new to BP shooting

 

[BGRooster1]

I have a 1858 Remington which is my first Remy. I have always had Colts. I would like to know from the people who shoot Remingtons, what loads do you shoot. I loaded mine with a load of Goex 3F of 30 grs with a wad and a .454ball. When I seated the ball, the ball went half way down the chamber. I want to try T7 and Pyrodex pellets of 30 grs next with the wad and .454 ball. Do I still need to use a filler to get the ball closer to the edge of the chamber? Thank you for your help. Dennis.

30grs and a wad and you can push the ball half way down the cylinder.Are you sure you have a remmie?That is a LOT of compression.I could never do that with mine.

 

[DanChamberlain]

Methinks you may be pushing too hard. You don't need tight compaction. You only need to have the ball "seated" against the powder.

Dan

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

I have a 1858 Remington which is my first Remy. I have always had Colts. I would like to know from the people who shoot Remingtons, what loads do you shoot. I loaded mine with a load of Goex 3F of 30 grs with a wad and a .454ball. When I seated the ball, the ball went half way down the chamber. I want to try T7 and Pyrodex pellets of 30 grs next with the wad and .454 ball. Do I still need to use a filler to get the ball closer to the edge of the chamber? Thank you for your help. Dennis.

30grs and a wad and you can push the ball half way down the cylinder.Are you sure you have a remmie?That is a LOT of compression.I could never do that with mine.

I agree with the "Rooster"! In my two Remmys I can just squeeze in a hunting charge of 35 grains, a wonder-wad and a .454 ball. Our most accurate charge is about 27-28 grains, the wad & ball. I'm using a heavy-duty pistol loading stand which offers superior seating capability with maximum force and I'd never get the ball half way down the chamber with 30 grains!

Is there a slight chance the powder measure could be off, or perhaps read at the wrong angle?

Dave

 

[bkovire]

i can only tell you my exp., i have the 58 rem 44cal. made by Fllipietta, new army brass frame, it dose just fine with 30gr pellets , wonder wads, 454 ball, this is the max this gun can take. i'm new to bp as well, went through 55 rounds to find the best round, started with 20g 3f,3 kinds of powder, @1gr inc. (t7@25gr is good to)'til i found the best one, now i just need to keep my hand from shak'in. i also load cyl in gun, (don't bounce or use extreme force with the loading lever).

 

[Tom-ADC]

My Pietta .44 cal 58 howed up today that gives me two in .36 and one in .44, going to start this one at 27 grs and work around from there.
I did compare the .36 to the .44 and the .44 is a little larger han the .36's.
Wednesday is range day.

 

[Blizzard of '93]

a .357 Mag case makes a good powder measure for a 'target' load with 3F a felt and a ball.
for a 'hunting' load which would be maybe close-up-and personal use a X39 case (AK or SKS case) full of #F.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

Good luck on Wednesday!

Think about us Easterners tomorrow as we'll be diggin' out once more :haha:

Dave

 

[Tom-ADC]

What does a .357 case hold grain wise?

 

[token tory]

a .357 mag case full of BP substitute. That comes out to about 27.5 Gr by volume I'm told.

Actually when I measured it it was 30 Gr. :v

 

[Tom-ADC]

a .357 mag case full of BP substitute. That comes out to about 27.5 Gr by volume I'm told.

Actually when I measured it it was 30 Gr. :v

So maybe a 38 special case will be in the 27 gr range? Wonder what I could use in place of FFFg BP so I could check it at the kitchen table?

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

a .357 mag case full of BP substitute. That comes out to about 27.5 Gr by volume I'm told.

Actually when I measured it it was 30 Gr. :v

So maybe a 38 special case will be in the 27 gr range? Wonder what I could use in place of FFFg BP so I could check it at the kitchen table?

Go ahead and check it at the kitchen table!

Here's how:

Take a couple of paper towels connected together and use this as a place mat. Measure the powder in a powder measure with spout on top. Use a funnel or make one out of a small piece of paper or index card stock taped together so that it fits into the .38 case. Do your measuring. Carefully fold the paper towel at the outside ends, and using a funnel/spout that fits onto a Goex can, tilit the paper towels so that the spilled powder goes down the funnel. Finish the clean-up with a paper towel wet with water to pick-up any remaining particles of powder. Table is now clean enough to eat off of.

I pre-measure and pour all of my charges for my son and I right at the kitchen table, because the light to read the measure and to see what I'm doing is the best. I also have a plastic tablecloth underneath the paper toweling.

Dave

 

[token tory]

I measured one at 28Gr.
I also have tried other cases as well 45 acp & so on.
What I've found is that, compared to smokeless, where 1/10Gr makes a difference with BP it seems to be whole grains that first show an effect.The differences between the 28 & the 30 Gr loads was minimal.

 

[Tom-ADC]

Okay I got 27 grs of FFFg with a 38 special case and 30 with a .357 case.
Think I'll solder a short handle to the cases.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

:thumbsup: The difference is best represented by remembering where you've started from....if you're pouring a 25 grain charge for instance, another 5 grains is a full 20% increase in the charge. If starting at 50 grains, it's only 10%, and so on!

A 10% difference is only 2.5 grains when you're pouring a 25 grain charge! Pistols are a little more finickier than hunting rifles using 80-100 grain loads :thumbsup:

Dave

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

Soldering them is a great idea! Some folks use one on a handle at the kitchen table, and have a second one on a loop for use at the range, where they can wear it around their neck like a bone measure from an antler, for instance.

Dave

 

[Tom-ADC]

What dia balls does every one use, mines a Pietta if that makes a difference.