1860 Army large screws for shoulder stock

[Jappo]

Walla walla wallaby?

Yeppers

 

[Notchy Bob]

Anyone else hate those protruding shoulder stock side screws on most of the 1860 Army replicas?

Snoot

Yes! They look ugly and they are unnecessary, and @Snooterpup 's "fix" is very neatly done. I also saw his later post with some of the production numbers, and these suggest not all that many of the old Colts were of the four-screw variety. In my opinion, the "Military" (four screw) versus "Civilian" (three screw) distinction is probably a modern "collector" term.

I was researching late military use of the M1860 Colt on the western frontier, and found there were actually a lot of them being reissued even after cartridge revolvers were being phased in. The only real complaint was with the paper cartridges, which tended to break open in the troopers' ammo pouches. A quantity of heavily used M1860 revolvers were sent to the arsenals at Leavenworth and St. Louis to be "cleaned and refurbished." The guns were disassembled, exteriors were buffed, barrels were very slightly shortened, they were cleaned up and then reassembled with mixed serial numbers. These have US stamped in front of the trigger guard. A bunch of these were famously issued to the Buffalo Soldiers of the 10th Cavalry, and were so marked. This is an example of a 10th Cavalry "C&R" (cleaned & refurbished, not "curio and relic") revolver:


I've seen several of these for sale on the auction sites over the past couple of years. None that I have seen have the four-screw frames. So, that "civilian" designation for the three-screw revolvers is not necessarily accurate. Lots of the military guns were like that.

I'm thinking of getting an 1860. If I do, it will go to @45D for a tuneup, and if it has those big-headed screws for the shoulder stock, I expect I'll have him take care of those, too. His "fix" was also very nicely done.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

 

[45D]

Yes! They look ugly and they are unnecessary, and @Snooterpup 's "fix" is very neatly done. I also saw his later post with some of the production numbers, and these suggest not all that many of the old Colts were of the four-screw variety. In my opinion, the "Military" (four screw) versus "Civilian" (three screw) distinction is probably a modern "collector" term.

I was researching late military use of the M1860 Colt on the western frontier, and found there were actually a lot of them being reissued even after cartridge revolvers were being phased in. The only real complaint was with the paper cartridges, which tended to break open in the troopers' ammo pouches. A quantity of heavily used M1860 revolvers were sent to the arsenals at Leavenworth and St. Louis to be "cleaned and refurbished." The guns were disassembled, exteriors were buffed, barrels were very slightly shortened, they were cleaned up and then reassembled with mixed serial numbers. These have US stamped in front of the trigger guard. A bunch of these were famously issued to the Buffalo Soldiers of the 10th Cavalry, and were so marked. This is an example of a 10th Cavalry "C&R" (cleaned & refurbished, not "curio and relic") revolver:

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I've seen several of these for sale on the auction sites over the past couple of years. None that I have seen have the four-screw frames. So, that "civilian" designation for the three-screw revolvers is not necessarily accurate. Lots of the military guns were like that.

I'm thinking of getting an 1860. If I do, it will go to @45D for a tuneup, and if it has those big-headed screws for the shoulder stock, I expect I'll have him take care of those, too. His "fix" was also very nicely done.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

I appreciate that Notchy Bob!!

 

[sportster73hp]

For those that have the shoulder stock, is it legal to use it on this handgun? Asked at the local gun store and was told no. At the same time he was selling an original with matching stock.

 

[45D]

For those that have the shoulder stock, is it legal to use it on this handgun? Asked at the local gun store and was told no. At the same time he was selling an original with matching stock.

Yes. It's not a firearm.
If a conversion cyl is installed -NO!!

Mike

 

[B P Arn]

For those that have the shoulder stock, is it legal to use it on this handgun? Asked at the local gun store and was told no. At the same time he was selling an original with matching stock.

Gun store people should keep their mouths shut when they don't know what they are talking about.