1st time using Paper Cartridges.

[Sean Gadhar]

I started playing around with making my own paper cartridges. I forgot to get photos before I shot them all (except the one I manhandled and broke ) Hence 9 shots not 10.

There was a 10-15 mile per hour wind. . . Not sure how much the group being wider than tall was affected by the wind, and how much was my trigger pull. That said.... 9 shots at 60 feet
I was happy with this as a start of my paper Cartridge Trials.

 

[cowboydave]

Looks like a good start to me.

 

[M. De Land]

I started playing around with making my own paper cartridges. I forgot to get photos before I shot them all (except the one I manhandled and broke ) Hence 9 shots not 10.

There was a 10-15 mile per hour wind. . . Not sure how much the group being wider than tall was affected by the wind, and how much was my trigger pull. That said.... 9 shots at 60 feet
I was happy with this as a start of my paper Cartridge Trials.

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What did you make them off , nitrated cigarette paper ? I've never tried this and am curious as to how you approached it.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

What did you make them off , nitrated cigarette paper ? I've never tried this and am curious as to how you approached it.

I went with this kit Paper Cartridge Kits

It's fine. . .not great. My Blue Collar hands have a hard time making the tube part, the end cap works well with the tool they provided. I used the cigarette paper they provided, all 9 went off like the paper wasn't there. I might well switch things up and make them as powder loads ONLY, adding wad & ball or Conical after. If I can find one powder charge that Both Ball and Conical like ok, I will surely do so.

The ball being so heavy makes the cartridge easier to break then just powder <----working theory

Post script, I checked for burnt paper in the chambers and could find no trace.

 

[Justin.44]

I just received my kit Friday and made some up last night. Some with Johnston and Dow, some with round balls. I just tried them out in my Euroarms NMA and they worked great, as Sean said it was like the paper wasn't even there.

I ruined one from handling as well, and then figured out that if you grab them by the projectile instead of the paper part they hold up nicely. I really like the kit.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

In my Old Army I went with 30 grains of Triple Seven (Because I have 3/4 of a pound and don't use it in anything else) With Ball and wad.

I am in hopes that the same powder load will work for 220 grain Conical.

 

[ZUG]

I have made some paper cartridges using nitrated coffee filters and hair curling paper. I like the hair curling paper cartridges best. I did a burn test using both and found that the nitrated coffee filter cartridges vs the non-nitrated hair curling paper were about the same with the least amount of ash going to the hair curling paper because it was thinner in paper weigh. Here are some pictures

The three non-nitrated hair curling paper cartridges in the first picture all have a .454" ball in them with 45 - 35 - & 25 grains of 3F Goex in them. I left the paper cones long so that I can add the twist to the tops of the paper to aid in handling the cartridges. You can either rip off the twist top or just ram it home which will shear off the excess twist top upon loading. I used the Cap & Ball paper cartridge maker to form the paper cartridges. I also did a video but I can't attach it here because it says that the file is too large to upload and I don't know how to change it.

 

[eggwelder]

I used RAW brand cigarette papers, and gorilla brand stick glue- no ash or anything left in my .36

 

[Sean Gadhar]

Shot 10 Conicals today. I even got a little video. . . but these 13-14 hour work days are killing me. . . . .Editing will have to wait, I need

 

[Eutycus]

Has anyone done a test on the differant types of glues? There is bound to be some residue left in their burning. And some glues are likey to be more complete in burning up.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

Has anyone done a test on the differant types of glues? There is bound to be some residue left in their burning. And some glues are likely to be more complete in burning up.

I'm using the Elmer's stick glue, the one for kids that goes on pink and dries clear (recommended with the kit) to answer, no I have not done tests, I am thinking about keeping track on cylinders and shooting 3 with paper cartridges 3 hand loading. . . shoot maybe 3 rounds from each and see if I can detect a difference in cleaning them.

In the end people get away with a wide array of lubes and cleaners in their BP revolvers and I'm guessing in the day their were many "Snake Oil" Gun lubes with God only knows what mixed in. Yet somehow most of the Pistols just carry on despite our best efforts to WD-40, REM OIL, Murphy's soap them.

 

[wb78963]

I went with this kit Paper Cartridge Kits

It's fine. . .not great. My Blue Collar hands have a hard time making the tube part, the end cap works well with the tool they provided. I used the cigarette paper they provided, all 9 went off like the paper wasn't there. I might well switch things up and make them as powder loads ONLY, adding wad & ball or Conical after. If I can find one powder charge that Both Ball and Conical like ok, I will surely do so.

The ball being so heavy makes the cartridge easier to break then just powder <----working theory

Post script, I checked for burnt paper in the chambers and could find no trace.

yes I have made powder only tubes for my Sharps carbine and for shooting from the bench are very handy.
i used curler paper for the tube and it completely is gone upon shooting.
Good Luck
Bunk

 

[bigted]

I have made some paper cartridges using nitrated coffee filters and hair curling paper. I like the hair curling paper cartridges best. I did a burn test using both and found that the nitrated coffee filter cartridges vs the non-nitrated hair curling paper were about the same with the least amount of ash going to the hair curling paper because it was thinner in paper weigh. Here are some pictures
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The three non-nitrated hair curling paper cartridges in the first picture all have a .454" ball in them with 45 - 35 - & 25 grains of 3F Goex in them. I left the paper cones long so that I can add the twist to the tops of the paper to aid in handling the cartridges. You can either rip off the twist top or just ram it home which will shear off the excess twist top upon loading. I used the Cap & Ball paper cartridge maker to form the paper cartridges. I also did a video but I can't attach it here because it says that the file is too large to upload and I don't know how to change it.

My cartridges form up pretty close to your pictures. The difference in mine is that I clip off the tail ... then I dip the ball/bullet in lube melted in a shallow bowl which provides plenty of lube for prolonged shooting.

I do get bits of paper occasionally but never have had a misfire due to them.

I roll em over a handmade tapered mandrel leaving just a bit of the gummed paper overhanging the small end which gets folded over and attached to the side of the cartridge.

When I roll em my mandrel is placed kitty corner on the gummed paper leaving 1/2 inch of the gummed edge overhanging the small end of the mandrel.

This gives me a tapered cartridge with the end covered with a single layer of the cig paper which gets burned threverything every time.

Looks good. Keep up the good work.

 

[wb78963]

Gentlemen,
Very interesting and I am glad you are having such success with them. My paper cartridge use is limited to the Sharps carbine for this reason. That big chunk of lead is expensive so a couple of shots to stay current and check zero is sufficient.
However when I get revolvers dirty they get shot a lot. At least 30 shots per gun per shooting period.
There are no annoyed Comanches coming at me so loading can be done slowly on the bench.
I am not sure how long it would take to make that many paper cartridges so I will pass on that, and instead will use the time cleaning and maintaining.
Every one to his own form of pleasure so stay at it!
Good luck, Keep making smoke.
Hold Center
Hit Center
That is the plan
Bunk

 

[bigted]

Yes the loading time is just pushed to another location with paper cartridges. My history with these cartridges is that at the range, I spend my time shooting around 50 or 60 rounds and not loading.

Having said this ... the loading with lose powder n ball has a certain amount of added personal value in the doing. These revolvers are part of our history and not everyone used cartridges as they were AND ARE kinda expensive to use. Homespun folks like myself reverted to using lose components just because they are and were much cheaper than buying ready made cartridges.

We have spare time ... unlike those that lived back when these revolvers were top innovation of the time. We enjoy the extra time to build our own cartridges so we can enjoy another past time that our forefathers never had ... time and expendable funds to just "go shootin".

 

[wb78963]

Ladies and Gentlemen ,
If I may add since most of my shooting is done with snubbies which have no loading lever or an 1851 Capt. Schaeffer which almost has no loading lever for me paper cartridges are really not useful.
However if I was still shooting C&B revolvers in SASS competition most likely I would make and use paper cartridges for convenience and speed of loading between stages.
Unfortunate health problems have put a stop to that endeavor so I load off the gun with loose powder and ball and bang away happily in my back yard having fun.
Yr' Obt' Svt'
Bunk

 

[Sean Gadhar]

Ladies and Gentlemen ,
If I may add since most of my shooting is done with snubbies which have no loading lever or an 1851 Capt. Schaeffer which almost has no loading lever for me paper cartridges are really not useful.
However if I was still shooting C&B revolvers in SASS competition most likely I would make and use paper cartridges for convenience and speed of loading between stages.
Unfortunate health problems have put a stop to that endeavor so I load off the gun with loose powder and ball and bang away happily in my back yard having fun.
Yr' Obt' Svt'
Bunk

My involvement in sidearms is simply to make my wife happy. You shoot ONE Bear at 40 yards with a .54 cal flintlock back in 2015. . . .and Mr. Bear doesn't die right away, and all the sudden your wife thinks you should have a back up gun, rather than standing there trying to reload while a vary upset bear tries to destroy everything in his reach (I was not in his reach). I do have to say, a wounded angry bear is a fine incentive for reloading fast.

 

[ZUG]

Sean - my back-up gun would be a modern revolver in a BIG caliber that I could shoot accurately in a stressful situation and with two speed loaders at the ready. I don't mess with bears or sharks.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

Shot 10 Conicals today. I even got a little video. . . but these 13-14 hour work days are killing me. . . . .Editing will have to wait, I need

Well better late than never. . .

the link

https://rumble.com/vjroev-first-time-using-paper-cartridges-and-conical-bullets-together..html

 

[Justin.44]

I got 88 of these beauties rolled up, will finish my box of 100 tomorrow. Next time I make it out to the range I'm gonna shoot them all up in a couple different revolvers and see how they do.

The 30 I've shot out of my NMA did pretty well. It's a little tedious but I'm getting faster and better at it, and it's fun to do while I'm watching my gun videos.