20 G shotgun, wallhanger, English? Tell me

[1950DAVE]

Stooped by a friends house today to to chech on his progress with a 55 Tradesman wagon. When we went to the Bach of the shop to look at a metal cutting band saw he wanted to sell we passed several unmentionable shotgun stocks which he asked if I wanted. I noticed one with the action still attached and picked it up. He told me it was part of a wall hanger as some one had welded a barrel to it at one time, so he looked around and found the barrel. Well, I said not my thing. So he said maybe I have another wall hanger you might be interested in. So here it is. Too crusty to read any marks but I'd guess Englsh made. What's your guess? 20 Guage 34" barrel from the broken tang to muzzle.

 

[JohnL]

That’s interesting.

 

[appalichian hunter]

Looking at the lock plate and the hammer, is that a slide type safety mechanism that would allow the gun too be carried cocked.

 

[JohnL]

I was looking at that also, as well as the shape of the hammer. The file work on the box in the stock is interesting. I’d like to know the history of this one.

 

[Feltwad]

Continental will have Belgian proof marks with the carved stock it could be German defiantly not English ,
Feltwad

 

[1950DAVE]

Thanks Feltwas, I didn't think of German. It is fit with all iron and weighs about 4 lb . There is too much rust to detect any making at all. I thought the patch box to be unusual. I haven't decided whether to do a cleanup to look fo marking or not.
Dave

 

[OldRust]

I've seen that style of scallop shell patchbox on a couple of Spanish percussion shotguns. One late 1800's and one early 1900's. Just an observation on the patch box

Thanks
O.R.

 

[Feltwad]

I've seen that style of scallop shell patchbox on a couple of Spanish percussion shotguns. One late 1800's and one early 1900's. Just an observation on the patch box

Thanks
O.R.

Yes I agree I have double percussion shotgun from that part of the continent
Feltwad

 

[Rudyard]

It clearly has a' Patila lock' feature . The fancy work to the rear of the hammer would engage the full cock likley has a round half cock like a log with a deep notch in it very Spanish . feature So deffinatly not English. But still a fascinating gun .Hardly a fine gun but it warrents carefull restoration .Ide give a home rough or no rough. Never seen another like it '.Patila' means foot. The tangs not broken it just a loose' False breech '.
Rudyard

 

[1950DAVE]

Thanks for the thoughts on it. I will have to do a tear down and clean up to see what is under the rust. It looks like it was stored in an unseated place as the barrel is quite rusty, but the trigger moves as does the hammer. The wood shows no degrade other than typical cracking etc. and a few inches of the forestock is missing along with a ramrod thimble.
Dave

 

[William Lincoln]

Exactly, Clean it up and see what marks might be discernable. Also,
you might be surprised at how it might clean up although it looks
past salvation- try anyways.