40 caliber good?

[Wes/Tex]

The old-old rule for shooting feral or nusiance dogs is: "Shoot, shovel, shut-up".

No kidding. There have been some pretty gritty cases locally on that very thing. One caused the dog owner to shoot the dog shooter and the second caused PETA to get involved and forced the local LEOs to file charges and the guy will probably get time in the can. So think about what might happen before aiming at a canine, please!

 

[Rifleman1776]

The old-old rule for shooting feral or nusiance dogs is: "Shoot, shovel, shut-up".

No kidding. There have been some pretty gritty cases locally on that very thing. One caused the dog owner to shoot the dog shooter and the second caused PETA to get involved and forced the local LEOs to file charges and the guy will probably get time in the can. So think about what might happen before aiming at a canine, please!

I'm surprised that is happening in Texas. The general rule in most places, including Arkansas, is that one has a right to protect his property. However, the philosophies of the law enforcement officer, prosecutor and judge will determine what action, if any, might be taken against the shooter. There are non-shooting solutions for problem canines.

 

[rdillion]

One of my neighbors has a bad dog that has bitten one woman already. Deputy told the woman's husband to just shoot the dog if he had anymore trouble and then call the Sheriff's dept. and they would write it up. Two incidents already written up on this dog.
Wonder if a 40cal pistol bullet like Lee's tumble lube style would work in a 40? The size is stated as .401.

 

[FishDFly]

Some folks value their dog more than their kids.

Easier to let the Game Warden handle it and safer at times.

 

[rdillion]

Better to call Sheriffs dept. or Game wardens and get a written history started. We live in the county and rules here are different than in the city.

 

[Swamp Rat]

Wonder if a 40cal pistol bullet like Lee's tumble lube style would work in a 40? The size is stated as .401.

I've been wodering when this post was going to get there. In my barrel the bore is .3995dia the grove dia. is .419dia and a twist of 1:48 (Green mnt barrel) so I would say no for me. Been looking and thinking the Magma Bevel base 180gain 38-40 bullet would be the best to try. would size it down to .395and use a patch as a round ball. anyone tried that yet?
Oh and with the 1:48 barrel the bullet needs to be right at 1/2" long to stablelize according to the fomula ballpark.

 

[Swamp Rat]

but what may be easier cheaper, is buy a lee mold blank $20 and a 25/64" drill bit and patch it with a lubed patch.

 

[roundball]

Wonder if a 40cal pistol bullet like Lee's tumble lube style would work in a 40?
The size is stated as .401.

No...bands have to engage the edges of the lands by a few thousandths on each side.
This is the Lee Precision R.E.A.L. spec drawing 'oldnamvet' posted about the build of his custom mold.
Note the diameters of the bands: .417" - .412" - .407" - .402"

 

[rdillion]

Thanks, I think I've read about this before, just couldn't remember. :idunno:

 

[roundball]

Hunting section last year...

 

[Rifleman1776]

One of my neighbors has a bad dog that has bitten one woman already. Deputy told the woman's husband to just shoot the dog if he had anymore trouble and then call the Sheriff's dept. and they would write it up. Two incidents already written up on this dog.
Wonder if a 40cal pistol bullet like Lee's tumble lube style would work in a 40? The size is stated as .401.

Going ff here, sorry.
This is a real life situation here. I would go with a modern banger instead of worrying about the 'authentic' part. A wounded dog crawling back home can make for a bad-bad situation. Use enough (modern) gun to guarantee putting it down quickly.

 

[hanshi]

While I would never recommend a .40 as a dedicated deer rifle - mine start at .45 and go up - I'd never criticize anyone for using a .40 on deer and think it would work okay in that role. However, this is coming from a hunter who has used a .22 Hornet on good size deer in the past; and with 100% success. It ain't so much the tool as how the tool is used.

 

[rdillion]

While I would never recommend a .40 as a dedicated deer rifle - mine start at .45 and go up - I'd never criticize anyone for using a .40 on deer and think it would work okay in that role. However, this is coming from a hunter who has used a .22 Hornet on good size deer in the past; and with 100% success. It ain't so much the tool as how the tool is used.

:thumbsup: +1

 

[nkbj]

My GM's are .402-.403. Tried a couple of designs in them and every time I think it's right, there is an uh oh that opens up the group. So I still have another hobby to pursue.
Lyman #41026 with the rear sized down to load like a maxihunter is one that I want to try.

 

[roundball]

this is coming from a hunter who has used a .22 Hornet on good size deer in the past; and with 100% success.

So you routinely deer hunted with a tiny 50grn .22 Hornet in the past?
Or does the 100% really mean 1 deer with a head shot while it was raiding your bird feeder in the back yard like this...LOL:

 

[Roguedog]

Roger that!

Jeff

 

[majg1234]

tried this with 175gr 401 sized hard cast I use for 10mm and 40S&W loads,The barrel is a LongHammock barrel in my TVM southern mtn rifle.Load was 60gr Goex Fffg over a wool felt wad.1st round loaded OK shot to POA @ 50yd no keyhole great!!! second load (no swabbing) was hard to load but shot to POA also thought I had something working here.Swabbed bore and tried to load another... damn thing stuck about 2/3rd down couldn't pull it!!!! :surrender: finally after about 10 min with a larger rod was able to seat it,It too shot to POA...whew :v stopped that silliness and went back to PRB for the rest of the session.The bullet probably would work cast from pure lead and sized 401 so it was softer and easier to load. I have a few of the conicals from Ol Nam Vet but thought I'd try something I had thousands of.... so much for that bright Idea :idunno: .When Lee gets back to making custom molds I plan to contact them and have a mold made from the drawing posted by RB.Yes a 40 will kill a deer BUT you need to be picky with shots. I got a large doe a few years back with mine :grin:

 

[hanshi]

What I used, rb, were factory 45grain loads. All the deer were shot in the neck - I was a much better shot in those days and the rifle was a finely accurate Kimber of Oregon. The exception was a nice large buck traveling with a smaller one. I shot the smaller buck in the neck but when I saw the big guy I got the shakes. So I shot him in the lungs. When I got down I found one buck DRT. The big guy had run. He didn't go far and the blood trail he left was amazing; to say I was surprised would be an understatement. One shot per deer each time I used it.

 

[nkbj]

Me myself, just my thinking, bigger is better. A forty that hurls a chunk of lead long enough and fast enough is ok for larger game. A round ball gun that hurls a heavy enough chunk of lead is ok. A double tap of forty round ball would likely do the trick in close. Belt and suspenders.

 

[AWsaddles]

Found those targets I was looking for earlier. The first is a 40 cal double ball load at 50 yards. The second pic is the same gun, same day and powder charge. What I found most interesting was that impact between the loads did not change.