54. White mountain carbine

[boker]

what’s the specs ect on these?

 

[necchi]

Come-on,, you could helps us out a little bit,,what do you really want to know?

 

[bubba.50]

Basic single trigger T/C one inch barrel 21 or 22 inches long with standard 1 in 48 twist regular old T/C adjustable sights. Not much more to know.

 

[necchi]

I thought the White Mountain was a 1-32?

 

[bubba.50]

45(rare) and 50 cal White Mountains had twists from 1 in 28 to 1 in 38 and maybe even 1 in 20 dependin’ on who ya listen to but for some reason(cheapness most likely) the 54 cal had the regular old T/C 1 in 48 twist.

 

[boker]

I had a 5o cal , I knew some had a fast twist, I didn’t know that till I had bought it. I basically wanted to confirm what y’all have already said. A guy was supposed to be sending me pics of a Hawken turned out to be a wmc in 54.

 

[johnwm]

I have a White Mountain .54 on its way to me now, delayed by the postal strike up here in Canuckistan. The previous owner stated that it was a 1:38 twist; I'm hoping that he is correct...

 

[Jamie from Alberta]

Johnwm, did you buy from a CGN from Wasaga Beach Ont by chance?
If so I was eyeing up his TC New Englander.

BTW I had a WMC years ago. 1:28.
Twist was too fast for my interests.

 

[Howie1968]

I own a white mountain Carbine in .54 1-48 twist on mine

 

[DaveShooter]

I just picked up like new a TC White Mnt Carbine in 50 cal last year. Hunted a time or 2 with it last season with a charge of 90 Gr 2 f G and a 295 Gr cva power-belt bullet. I love this Muzzleloader so much I call Her my New Best Lady-lol

 

[8 BORE]

I just picked up like new a TC White Mnt Carbine in 50 cal last year. Hunted a time or 2 with it last season with a charge of 90 Gr 2 f G and a 295 Gr cva power-belt bullet. I love this Muzzleloader so much I call Her my New Best Lady-lol

Its easy to measure the twist with a ramrod with a T handle.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

The WMC varied over the years...
TC Catalog #20 shows that rifle as:.
.45 1:48
.50 1:20
.54 1:48

BUT..., in catalog 22 is shows:
.50 1:38
.54 1:48

Which shows the discontinuation of the .45 caliber, and a change to the .50 caliber.

IF you're getting a .54 then it's 1:48. I have owned several TC products, and still do, and I always found that the "Maxi-Hunter" bullets shot the best when it came to conicals. The problem though is those have been discontinued, and nobody appears to be making molds for them either, so you have to scrounge a used mold. You might try a LEE brand REAL bullet https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...0-real-54-caliber-557-diameter-380-grain-real or a Hornady Great Plains Bullet https://www.midwayusa.com/product/6...leloading-bullets-lead-hollow-point-box-of-20 IF you're not going to go with a patched round ball.

LD

 

[johnwm]

Johnwm, did you buy from a CGN from Wasaga Beach Ont by chance?
If so I was eyeing up his TC New Englander.

BTW I had a WMC years ago. 1:28.
Twist was too fast for my interests.

Hi Jamie, what a small world; my White Mountain came from another fellow in Ontario, who apparently now lives across the street from the house in which I was born. However, the gent in Wasaga Beach did just sell me a Seneca a few weeks ago!

 

[Jamie from Alberta]

Hi Jamie, what a small world; my White Mountain came from another fellow in Ontario, who apparently now lives across the street from the house in which I was born. However, the gent in Wasaga Beach did just sell me a Seneca a few weeks ago!

Yep small world for sure.
I ended up getting the brand new TC Hawken instead of the N.E.
Make smoke and keep ur powder dry!

Jamie

 

[johnwm]

By the way, in case anyone is still following this thread: the White Mountain .54 has arrived and I've been trying to measure the rate of twist with a tight brass-brush-wrapped-with-a-patch gizmo. Not exactly high precision, especially since the slow twist in a short barrel only allows for a half turn of the rod...but I keep getting a measurement of about 39 or 40 inches, so I am assuming that it is actually 38 inches.

Considering all the stuff they engrave on these barrels...would it kill them to include the rate-of-twist?

 

[8 BORE]

Rate of twist is sometimes confusing.
1:48 is really too fast for a round ball, and too slow for a conical.
It takes verry little twist to stabalize a round bullet, and usually less of a powder charge.
Like a basketball compared to a football.

 

[BrownBear]

Rate of twist is sometimes confusing.
1:48 is really too fast for a round ball, and too slow for a conical.

Indeed it's confusing. You need to go back and explain it to the Hawken brothers who got all stuck up on using 1:48 in their rifles. As did many other builders back in the day.

The confusion all started with TC, who called it a "compromise twist." The compromise was their shallow rifling to allow use of conicals and NOT the 1:48 twist rate.

 

[8 BORE]

You can always get a Green Mountain drop in barrel for a T/C and some other factory guns. And get them in either a slow or fast twist.

 

[dsayer]

Rate of twist is sometimes confusing.
1:48 is really too fast for a round ball, and too slow for a conical.
It takes verry little twist to stabalize a round bullet, and usually less of a powder charge.
Like a basketball compared to a football.

My Cabela's rifle with a 1:48 twist shoots both quite well. PRBs a little better than conicals.

 

[Howie1968]

I own the same rifle mine shoots conicals great I use a 425 Hornady great plains bullet and a 535 gr in mine I use a lubed wonder wad over the powder. and I use 80 grains of pyrodex select 2F im working on a new load using Olde eynesford 3f ive killed 30 or so hogs in the last year with this set up. I haven't shot roundballs out of it yet.