58 cal

[flintlock2000]

I'm looking to buy a 58 for an elk hunt- I'd like a CVA big bore mountain rifle. Can anybody hook me up? Thanks!

 

[brubincam]

http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/pp-classifieds/showproduct.php/product/7192/cat/9
not a CVA --better quality

 

[necchi]

A Zoli better than a Mountain Rifle?
That's a Horse apiece at best.
That's my humble opinion and worth what ya paid for it.

That's a tuff one to find GDuryea, most folks that have one just plain won't part with'm.
You can occasionally find 50's and I think they made 54's, but that Big Bore is a rare one indeed. I've had an eye out for one several years now.

 

[smokeum54]

i wish you luck in finding one. besides the typical cva lock issues their nice guns. me and my dad each have our own .58 and a few in .50. and like nicchi said were not gettin rid of them.

 

[flintlock2000]

I never had lock trouble but I have had trigger problems. Have you? I got a .50 and it's my favorite gun,had a .54 CVA hawken forever and gave it to a good friend,that one didn't shoot like the Mountain Rifle,though!

 

[nkbj]

I'm looking to buy a 58 for an elk hunt- I'd like a CVA big bore mountain rifle. Can anybody hook me up? Thanks!

A possible path that might work for you: My flinter (Renegade) and percussion (Hawken).58's used to be neglected and abused TC's. Bobby Hoyt did his rebore magic on them. Just saying if'n you happen upon a nasty old rusty thing in a flea market or pawn shop.

 

[smokeum54]

had a front trigger spring break once and a few others that just needed a good cleaning. actually just recently i picked up a .50 mt. rifle (thats like new :grin: ) and the triggers werent working. all they needed was a cleaning.

 

[BrownBear]

There's this one in the want ads too. I have one of their 58 cals with a little different furniture than that one. Mine looks like a cross between a TC Hawken and Lyman Trade Rifle with brass hooked butt, patch box and forend tip, but was in nowhere near as nice a shape when I found it. Made by Investarms, the same folks that make Lyman.

They have 15/16" barrels, making them considerably lighter than today's 1" barrel 58's and absolutely dandy for easy field carry. Recoil goes up a bit, but they are accurate as a snake bite. If I didn't already own one I'd be all over the one in the ad.

 

[brubincam]

""SORRY"" just my opinion---put a CVA Mt. rifle together long ago--about the 3rd shot the flintlock innerds broke--and that's the truth

 

[majg1234]

Yep....get the one in the current ad,I've got a nearly new Investarms 58 Brown Bear made me do it :bow: But boy am I happy,she's very accurate and hits hard @ both ends....I shoot 110gr Ffg .562 hand cast round ball 20ga felt wad over powder.@ 100 yards with that load she prints less 4" group (my eyes are old and are tired)makes a lot of noise,smoke etc.When I hit a 6" steel plate regularly @ 100yds makes a satisfying KEEERWHOP.Right now it is my favorite big bore,soon to have a 58 cal early va then we'll see

 

[Stubert]

I bought that exact rifle in 1982? does yours have the chrome bore? Since I got mine, I have replaced the barrel with a Green mtn. .54 slow twist, and installed a brass buttplare. It was a good shooter with the .58 though.
I paid $155.00 back then, new.

 

[SgtSchutzen]

That's a tuff one to find GDuryea, most folks that have one just plain won't part with'm.
You can occasionally find 50's and I think they made 54's, but that Big Bore is a rare one indeed. I've had an eye out for one several years now.

Yep they also made .54`s. If I remember right the .54`s were also called "Big Bores" and like the .58`s had no patchbox in the stock. The "standard" Mountain Rifle came in .45 and .50cal and had a patchbox.
I`ve had a "standard" .50cal since the 70`s and in my opinion it`s a nice rifle. Accurate with zero problems over the years. I`d grab a "Big Bore" in a second if I ever found one for sale at a reasonable price.

 

[pchwcf50110]

like Goodcheer i had Bob Hoyt rebore a .50 Renegade to .58, .007" rifling, & 1-90" twist. cheap way to get a bigger bore PRB gun. the rifle was perfect on the outside but had a frosted bore. i had a total $260.00 invested, $145 for the gun and $115 for the rebore/rifling. with 120gr. Goex and pillow ticking patched .575" RB it clover leafs off the bench.

 

[necchi]

Yeah rubincam, All it takes is one bad experiance for a feller to get a bad opinion, :grin:

Gotta admit those factory CVA locks leave alot to be desired, there's not one I've owned that I haven't fully disassembled and polished out the stamping marks an burrs.
My single experiance with a Traditions flint lock was enough for me to know I'll never try a CVA/Traditions flint lock again.

 

[Rifleman1776]

""SORRY"" just my opinion---put a CVA Mt. rifle together long ago--about the 3rd shot the flintlock innerds broke--and that's the truth

One unfortunate experience is not a broad brush for all CVA products, or any product for that matter. I had five Davis locks fail before getting one that worked. Then that one broke and had to have parts hand made by the person making my rifle. Happens and a lot of people still like Davis. I'm not one of them.

 

[tiger955]

You are right Sgt. They made mountain rifles in .45 and .50 with a patchbox and "big bores" in .54 and .58 without the box. I have an early .54 and a .50. The 50 is a kit gun that is not finished yet, but the 54 has many hard miles on it and shoots like a dream, one of the sweetest triggers I've ever pulled.

 

[BrownBear]

One of my hunting buds has a Mountain Rifle in 58, and it's so reliable and effective on game, it launched the rest of us on quests for 58's. We all started out wanting the same, but we had the dickens of a time finding them. There are probably a dozen 58's in our crowd now covering half a dozen models but no more Mountain Rifles. Even now his stands tall alongside all the others.

 

[mr.flintlock]

Back about 1980 I bought a percussion 54 cal. Big Bore Mountain rifle kit. I hunted with it for many years and never had a problem. It was always accurate and reliable. I still have it but have been a rock locker now for more than 12 years. I have even considered converting it to flint.

 

[aeatwood]

I had been looking for a T/C Big Boar for a while, and happened upon a T/C Renegade w/ a GM .58 IBS barrel on it. Other than getting a Renegade re-bored, this is one of the better ways to go (cheap). It really shoots well, but I would NOT want to shoot this gun with a Hawken stock. It starts getting unpleasant about 100 gr. of 2F Goex w/ a PRB.

In fact, it was LESS fun to shoot than my Pedersoli .72 Gibbs African w/ PRB and 110gr of 2F Goex. The Gibbs weighs maybe 1 lb more, but is firing a ball weighing 2x as much. I think most of the difference is stock design.

I'm in the queue for a custom .62 right now, and I'm spec'cing it out as a Rigby-style sporter. It is just a better stock design.

Alan

 

[BrownBear]

Excellent points AlanA. Stock design is key. I have a couple of Big Boars, along with several other makes and models of 58's with "Hawken" style stocks. The Big Boars get kinda snorty when you pass 100 grains, but they still don't hurt like those with the hooked butts with the same load. The only exception to the more hurts more rule is my GRRW 58 cal Hawken with its preferred 140 grains. But it compensates well by weighing 12 pounds.