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Ok, here's the range report for the Army I traded for a bit ago. Overall, I'm happy with the performance of the Army, but I do have a few issues to work out to get her in frequent-shooter shape.

25gn FFF Jack's Powder, .454 Hornadys, target +- 25m

First off, a little eye-candy... I had installed my Tresos on the cylinder from the '51 Navy, and they threaded on just fine. Sadly, I soon discovered they are a touch too long for the '60, and after they were capped, they hung up on the frame. The cylinder cycled about half-way, and stopped dead, but the hammer continued all the way back as it should. I was 100% confident the hand was totally screwed, and I had to manually rotate the cylinder with every shot afterwards. But there appears to be no damage, and the cylinder cycles fine after cleaning. Not sure what's up with that.

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I proceeded to fire a full cylinder from the over-barricade position. Here's the target:

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On the second cylinder, the caps started misfiring on the third chamber. I must have replaced about 20 caps, and just before throwing in the towel, finally saw this little nugget hiding in there. It took up just enough hammer drop to dent the caps w/o setting them off.

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Once that noobish oversight was cleared up, I moved on to a freshly loaded cylinder, and changed positions. This time I sat down and rested the loading lever hinge on the log pictured above. I did this to steady the weapon as much as possible, and remove as much of my physical influence as I could. Target came out pretty similar, but closed up a bit.

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My final note is on the barrel. I believe the breech is much smaller than the cylinder bores. When disassembling for cleaning, I found the barrel was jammed forward enough to embed a deep notch in the wedge. The rounds I found were also heavily mutilated, versus the '51 Navy balls which are just a little wonky from meeting with the clay-filled tires. I forgot to take pics of them, I'll try to remember to post some later for opinions.
 
I experienced the same problem with Treso nipples. Some manufacturer's caps sat too high, but others were OK.
 
The nipples installed in the gun are the wrong type.

There are two different kinds of nipples.
One is made for rifles and one is made for cap and ball pistols.

Rifle nipples are long and are what are commonly seen in gun stores etc. These are too long for use in most cap and ball pistols.
They are usually about .460-.480 long from their mounting face to the top of the cone. This is a little longer than 7/16" or a little shorter than 1/2".

Pistol nipples for use in cap and ball pistols are short. They typically are .260-.290 long from their mounting face to the top of the cone.
This is a little longer than 1/4" or a little shorter than 5/16".

The threads used on nipples are used in both rifles and pistols so ordering based on the thread size is not enough to distinguish between rifle and pistol nipples.

Companies like Tresco and others make both styles of nipples so one cannot go by company names when they are deciding which nipples to buy.

When ordering/buying nipples for pistols make sure the ad's say they are for Pistols.
 
He said he took the Treso nipples from his 51 Navy. If they worked in that gun, they should be the right ones.
 
Your clay filled tires may not cause the same problem, however, I remember as a kid we were shooting at tires with a 22 and the tires shot back. Bullets bounced off the tires and whistled by our ears. Did not like the idea of getting shot at and have not tried it since.
 
LOL, reminds me of the time in high school I was drunk and shot a fresh log w/a 12ga at about 5ft. Haven't had even a sip of Jack Daniels since!! It still amazes me I have my eyes... :youcrazy:
 
hey bd if your having too much trouble with that old 60 send it my way! i dont want you to get all flustered and ruin your sunny disposition! sometimes its better just to step away and find your center again! :rotf:
 
the nipples came off your '51?
IIRC the '60 uses the same one - no clue what's causeing the problem.
if rotation is stiff the hand can be damaged - they're not hardened.
 
east texas said:
hey bd if your having too much trouble with that old 60 send it my way! i dont want you to get all flustered and ruin your sunny disposition! sometimes its better just to step away and find your center again! :rotf:
Don't think that didn't cross my mind. :grin: I kind of don't want to deal with it, but I do want to tinker with it to try and get it in fighting shape. You have to learn to fix 'em up at some point, right? :idunno: Honestly what worries me more is the potential barrel issue.

Blizzard of 93 said:
the nipples came off your '51?
IIRC the '60 uses the same one - no clue what's causeing the problem.
if rotation is stiff the hand can be damaged - they're not hardened.
Yep, they came right off the '51 cylinder. Rotation and timing is right on again. I knew the hand was soft steel, so I was expecting to see the end mangled up when I cleaned, but it looks fine. I don't know if it just slipped out of position somehow? Doesn't make sense to me, but it's still in great shape, so I guess I'll just harden it and go from there. :idunno:
 
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