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technutz

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I know I am new and this is a stupid question, but I am looking for a winter project and I would like to do a kit. Maybe a pistol or a rifle, I have some wood working knowledge but I don't want to carve a stock but just give it a nice finish and put things together and makeit look nice might even want to shoot it. But mostly looking for a fun kit to put together, but won't break my wallet either.

Any ideas?? :)
 
:imo: I probably want a little more information. Especially on how much it will take to break your wallet. ::

There are basically two kinds of "kits" available.
The easy ones are made by places like Lyman with their Great Planes Rifle, or Thompson Center with their Hawkin or Dixie Gun Works with their Pennsylvania Rifle and Super Cub Rifle.
These gun kits are pretty much finished by the factory. The main things which are required are trimming a little wood to finish inleting the lock, barrel and trigger guard, draw filing the barrel, sanding the stock and applying a finish to the wood.
I would guess it would take a beginner from 1 to 3 weeks to finish them. That's working 1 to 3 hours a day.

Dixie has a few "kits" like the Tennessee Mountain Rifle and the 1861 or 1863 Springfield Rifle which they list as a Skill Level 2 which requires some stock shaping, hole drilling plus the things I listed above.
I haven't worked on one of these but I suspect you might add a week's work to cover it making it a 2 to 4 week task.

The easy kits vary in price but you can expect to pay somewhere around $250-$350.
The more difficult factory kits are in the $425-$650 range.

You might notice that the prices of these kits is almost as much as the finished gun. I think the reason for this is that the big companys know this is a fun hobby so they are taking advantage of that fact and charging accordingly.

The other kind of kits make a big jump in difficulty and an increase in price. The quality of the barrel/lock/trigger etc are the best in the world.

These are sold by places like Chambers, Track of the Wolf, Pecatonica River and a number of other places.
These kits are little more than the Lock, Stock, Barrel and Furniture (butt plate, trigger guard, sights etc).
The stock is rough machined leaving anywhere from 1/16 to 1/2 inch of wood on it.
The inlets for the lock, trigger etc is usually very rough so these parts require quite a bit of work to fit.
The furnature is made of rough castings that require filing/sanding/polishing. None of the screw holes or mounting pin holes are drilled...
I could go on, but suffice it to say these kits take a lot of work.

I am slow and careful but I figure it takes from 250-400 hours to complete one of these kits.
The prices of these is largly dependent on the type and quality of the stock wood.
For a full stocked Kentucky style rifle the wood can cost as little as $110 or as much as $250 or more.
The basic parts without wood will cost from $250 on up.

I don't want to scare you off, but you need an idea of what will be envolved before you put your money down. :)

If your interested in this level of a kit, read as many posts on Builders bench as you can. Find out what problems others ran into so you can get a feel for what you will have to do.
Take a look at their finished work to see how the kits at this level can turn out.

No matter which type of kit you choose, I know, in the end you will be pleased with your work. :)
 
I guess that depends on how strong your wallet is ? ha ha ! :huh:

If you are wanting a "Put Together Kit" go with a Lyman GPR kit. (www.midsouthshooterssupply.com ) Under $300.

If you are wanting all the parts to build one, I suggest parts kit from Wayne Dunlap or Jim Chambers. These are NOT just sand & put together kits, lots of work & takes some time & real effort & patience. Depending on the rifle & wood you pick $ 500 to $1000.
Chambers tele# 828-667-8361
Dunlaps tele# 703-631-5147

If you want to just finish the a rifle, Tip Curtis Frontier Shop has them already built, all you do is finish sand it, stain & finish coat & brown the barrel & trim. $ 795. to $1595. again depending on the rifle & wood & etc. Tip did have a couple of really nice Vincent halfstocks built in the white for about $895 & they were real nice lil rifles.
Tip Curtis Frontier Shop tele# 615-654-4445

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Hey Tech,
There is sooooooo much out there, and you did not give us much to go on as to what you like. Since you are a beginner, I suggest something small. I have a friend that put together the Dixie Gun works Lincoln Derringer. (about 12 to 15 years ago) It is a real eye catcher (IMO). I do not know what you want to spend,(Dixie kit is $160) but if the quality of the kit has not gone down, you could have a sweeeeeeeeeeeeet little pistol. The nice thing about a small size project,is, you will not have so much surface area to remove, fit, sand, emery, polish, stain, brown, linseed/linspeed/tung oil etc. An inexperienced worker is waaaaaaay slower that a pro. Do not think this kit is a pushover, cus to make it nice, there is a lot of work. You can just put it together so to speak, but then that is what it will look like. A bunch of pieces put together.
Flintlocks Forever
Lar
 
I have seen some CVA type kits for $50 to $100 buck but I can go more. I am not currently shooting blackpower but I was interested in what kits are available and what the prices are. One in particular I would like to know about is a shotgun kit. I saw one once apon a time as a kit but it was so long ago I don't remember a lot about it. It was at the closing of the old JC Penny store and they had some kits like the one I descibed, I don't even remember the price but at the time I would have liked to buy one. The kit looked very cool!
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tecknutz,

listen to Zonie!!!!!! he knows what he is talking about :imo:

snake-eyes :) :peace: :thumbsup:
 
I am slow and careful but I figure it takes from 250-400 hours to complete one of these kits.

Comes on Z.... Noah but the Ark in less time.

You're doing a lot of looking, get in their and let the chips fly. :crackup: No, honestly, take your time and do it right.
 
:)Hey Tech,
Just type in your browser "Dixie Gun Works". When you get to the on line catalogue you can just go through all the kits. If you want the Lincoln Derringer, then just find the search section. Let us know what you get.
Flintlocks Forever
Lar
 
Comes on Z.... Noah but the Ark in less time.

Boy! You really know how to hurt a guy.
And this, coming from a turtle who's present project trys to attack him at every opportunity? ::

One reason I don't hurry is I can't afford to buy $400+ worth of gun parts 2 or 3 times a year. :(
 
How about the Traditions Hawken Kit. I think the one I saw was a .45 cal. The wood looked pretty good and the metal parts looked like they had a good coat of oil/grease on them. They wanted $149 for it new in the box. Sound any good to you guys?? :master:
 
Well, how about this my mother in law sent me enough birthday cash to just about pay for the kit. Ironic isn't it. :crackup: :crackup:

I am going to try to pick it up this week if I can swing it. Gotta get a DVD burner as well but that may have to wait a bit maybe after the holidays.

You guys have been a great help to me and making up my mind.

Any other thoughts on gun kits??
 
"I am slow and careful but I figure it takes from 250-400 hours to complete one of these kits."

Zonie,
have you kept track of the time spent or is this an estimate?. The reason I ask is that I figued I am pretty pokey at building and used to estimate my time building from a blank @ 300 hours. I built one for my dad and kept track of the hours and was surprised to find I spent 155 hours. This included designing and making all inlays and patch box (designing takes alot longer than making)carving, engraving ect. I finished a Chambers kit for a friend and, while I didn't keep track of the time, based on the time I spent on the one for my dad I figure I spent about 100 hours on the kit. This also includes making all inlays and PB, carving, engraving etc. Perhaps if I did spend 300-400 hours I could turn out a better product? It alway does amaze me, these full time makers that can turn out a nice inlayed, carved rifle from a blank in under 100 hours.

Cody
 
Got nice vise for doing cabinet making. Should work nice for what ever carving I need to do.
 
Cody: It's an estimate but it was based on the time I spent putting together several different guns.
I made this estimate back before I started playing on the net so I would work on a gun an average of 4 nights a week and averaged about 2 hours a night.
Depending on the gun, it took me between 5 and 10 months to finish one so that would add up to somewhere between 173 and 346 hours.

Folks should understand that I am in no hurry. I usually use slow methods because I've found the fast ones can cause more problems.
I will "cut in" around an inlay 4 or 5 times before starting to chisel the pocket. I don't really need to do this, but I know I am not going to chip out some wood which might ruin the job. So, it takes twice as long as it might need to? That's OK with me. I'm under no ones "due date" but my own.
I just spent the better part of a week just inleting the trigger guard on my current project. I could have done it a lot faster, but that's not why I'm doing this.
To me, this is just a Hobby.

When I tell folks on this web site it takes me 200-400 hours, one of the reasons I do this is because I've seen people spend a lot of money on parts and then when they start and see the magnitude of the project, they loose interest.
If I stretch the time a little I think that at least I have done my part in letting them know what their getting into.

Those that look at my estimated numbers and say, "I can live with that" are the people who are going to end up with a finished gun they will treasure for the rest of their lives.

A lot of folks I talk to at gun shows look at my rifles and ask me if I would build one of them.
Although I am flattered by their request, I turn them down mainly because I would feel a need to get their gun done in a reasonable amount of time. In other words, I would feel pressured. To me, that would take some of the fun out of it.

Hope you understand. :)
 
Well, I bought a kit!

A St. Louis Hawken Kit by Traditions.

Not as good a deal on it as I was expecting price-wise, but it looks like it should finish up real nice.

I will start to post some pics as I go through the process of finishing it.

Thanks, for all your input!!!!

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