Air bubbles in cast balls?

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I have a group of cast balls that are 2-3 gns lighter than the rest. I’ve noticed that there are several flyers from this group. A fellow MLer suggested that I may have an air bubble in those balls. So I cut one in half and sure enough there is a small air bubble which I have been told throws off the trajectory. I target shoot for accuracy so this is unacceptable.
What causes the air bubble to occur? What can I do to prevent it?
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Molds do have preferences on how the lead is poured in, also temperature. Some want shiny balls and bullets. Not me, I want them to come out frosted. That tells me I am running the lead hot enough to more compleletly fill the mold.
If shooting serious competition or working up a load, I weigh the bullets to be sure I have the most consistant projectiles. Other than that, I don't worry about it, as none of us shoot well enough to know the difference when shooting off hand.
 
I heat the Lee mold on a hot plate before casting. I heat the pure lead to 760. I weigh every ball I plan to shoot.
I shoot for accuracy so I try to eliminate all variables off the rifle rest. Then practice offhand knowing flyers are the shooters fault. Have not been able to eliminate that variable yet. 🤷
 
Of the same diameter and similar weight (174)I do assume they do have bubbles.
I’ve cast some that are same diameter but 177-178 grains. I’m assuming they probably do not have bubbles. I’m going to test them.
 
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Of the same diameter and similar weight (174)I do assume they do have bubbles.
I’ve cast some that are same diameter but 177-178 grains. I’m assuming they probably do not have bubbles. I’m going to test them.
@Salty. I'll bring my metal casting experience to the table here, spending two decades as a dental technician in the army, casting chrome cobalt based partial denture frames, gold inlays and precious metal crowns etc. I spent five years teaching casting techniques at Dental School too. All that experience helped me for sure, when I took up casting my pure lead :).

Porosity, (bubbles) in a casting, can be caused by four key issues: uneven flow into the mold that incorporates air (turbulence), the mold not hot enough causing the metal to solidify too quickly, the metal not hot enough causing the metal to solidify too quickly, and, not allowing enough metal to fill the sprue where the cooling metal can draw (suck) from as the casting cools (it is a combination of the poured molten metal and the reservoir in the sprue that creates good fill out). All metals shrink when they cool, naturally drawing from the pool in the molten button, the last part of any pour to solidify. I like a healthy chubby button when I cast - tells me that I have enough metal to feed and fill the mold.

A hint too - if a few postmortem cuts of your poured balls show a consistent single void (air bubble) just below where you cut the sprue off, then change your technique to pour consistently leaving a good amount of metal in the button. I admire guys and girls who cast with great results using gang molds - two or more. I can only concentrate on a single cavity!! 😃

@RobertIN did mention another notion too, and he's dead right - an inclusion of a foreign object or spur of already cooled metal can fall into the mix causing porosity; though, this would be a rarer event than the four key areas that I explained above.

Hope this helps. Best of luck with your endeavours! Casting is fun huh?

Cheers, Pete
 
@Salty. I'll bring my metal casting experience to the table here, spending two decades as a dental technician in the army, casting chrome cobalt based partial denture frames, gold inlays and precious metal crowns etc. I spent five years teaching casting techniques at Dental School too. All that experience helped me for sure, when I took up casting my pure lead :).

Porosity, (bubbles) in a casting, can be caused by four key issues: uneven flow into the mold that incorporates air (turbulence), the mold not hot enough causing the metal to solidify too quickly, the metal not hot enough causing the metal to solidify too quickly, and, not allowing enough metal to fill the sprue where the cooling metal can draw (suck) from as the casting cools (it is a combination of the poured molten metal and the reservoir in the sprue that creates good fill out). All metals shrink when they cool, naturally drawing from the pool in the molten button, the last part of any pour to solidify. I like a healthy chubby button when I cast - tells me that I have enough metal to feed and fill the mold.

A hint too - if a few postmortem cuts of your poured balls show a consistent single void (air bubble) just below where you cut the sprue off, then change your technique to pour consistently leaving a good amount of metal in the button. I admire guys and girls who cast with great results using gang molds - two or more. I can only concentrate on a single cavity!! 😃

@RobertIN did mention another notion too, and he's dead right - an inclusion of a foreign object or spur of already cooled metal can fall into the mix causing porosity; though, this would be a rarer event than the four key areas that I explained above.

Hope this helps. Best of luck with your endeavours! Casting is fun huh?

Cheers, Pete
Pete, thank you for the educated reply. This is the first time I’ve actually read such a thorough analysis.
I will increase the temp of both the mold and the lead. I already pour a button on top so I think I have that covered. I’ve been using a mold with 6 cavities so the pour might not be an even consistent flow. I have a two cavity mold so I’ll see if they come out better with more attention to the flow.

BTW, do you feel that a Lee aluminum mold might not cast as well as a steel mold?
 
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