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I'VE looked at the Clay Smith guns.Nice! Kinda get that feeling when you were a child looking at Sears Christmas catalog. Lol. He actually has some marked down at this time.
Right now I'm more concerned about something that feels good hunting and shooting but would still like to have a gun that was used in this area in the early years. As of now I don't do any reenacting so it could vary some what. Nothing fancy. A gun that an early settler would depend on.
 
54ball said:
Recently Clay Smith has started making his Bumford Guns with a 46" barrel, 24bore based on the original with the correct barrel length and bore that Mr. Hobbs mentioned.

I know that Clay Smith and Mike Brooks will work with you. These guns take time to build so you can pay down and save up to pay the balance on completion. I suggest you contact them to see, if and when you decide on a Carolina or "Bumford".
I don't mean to be nit picky but Clay Smith's web site states the "Bumford" kit has a 47" long barrel and Mike Brooks Type G states it is a 47 3/8" by 20 gauge. His barrel lengths do vary some however. My Brooks Type G has a 48" by 20 gauge Getz barrel.

BTW, I waited over 2 years for a gun from Brooks. However, it is an excellent gun and worth the wait. It is deadly on them flying "orange birds".
 
Good point about having a 35 year old gun, and modified at that. Well in to the 20th century Canadian Indians were carring TFC and NWG, some converted to precussion some still flint. Picking a year such as 1831 Jed smith was carring a brand new Hawken. You could have a brand new gun at any time, or the gun your daddy bought used the year before you were born, or some other used gun.
 
It is a small world is it not! I thought I recognized your pic in the avatar. I appreciate the kind words....I just like for someone to have all the facts going forward because at the end of the day none of these guns are cheap.
Jim & I had a great time that weekend at the woods walk....and it really opened my eyes to the whole loading easy & shooting fast and accurate. Too bad the woods walk isn't being put on this year...one of my favorite events...and we were slated to put it on again next year!
Oh well...
 
Yes I live in Baldwin County (Gulf Coast)-- I have thought much and researched the Tensaw Community-- I would think 1775-1800.. It would be predominantly Spanish, French guns, or perhaps Brown Bess..
 
In 1690 to perhaps 1810-- the European influence and thus guns, for south Alabama would have been from Spanish Florida (thru Pensacola) and from The french through New Orleans-- The French much more prevalent as they founded Mobile in 1702. My vote for the south would be French trade guns.. During the same time period, North Alabama was occupied by Muskogee tribes and Cherokee..who who have traded the same gun and (my opinion) a small amount of English or some early american produced guns through contact with Celtic colonist-- Scotts, Welsh and Irish.. But I think more appropriately middle to south Alabama would be French..
 
Sir,
While the European powers you mention did impact what was locally available gun wise, the English & French were the major players in the 18th Cen. deer skin trade economy, the Spanish not so much.Based on archaeological evidence, the predominate gun parts found through out Alabama village sites are English in manufacture(these are usually Carolina gun parts). Even at Fort Toulouse a French fort....it becomes evident that compared to the arms the French are able to supply is small by the amount of English arms. In the dig report by Greg Waselkov of Fort Toulouse he mentions a ratio of 2:1 English gun parts to French. This stuck me as odd at first but the French were repairing guns for the Creeks as an act of good will. While I do not discount the that the French & the Spanish to a lesser degree did produce guns for the local population(for that matter the French were also importing Liege guns...these are usually identified as Fusil Fin....there is an original at the Selma Old Depot museum, dug by David Chase), the archaeology supports English guns as being the most prevalent. So when the gentleman asked to a "Alabama smoothbore" yes other guns are possible but I was recommending what was numbers wise most "common". If you decide to move past 1763 for a target date, your area becomes known as British West Florida. One of the predominate trading company's is Panton, Leslie & Company( An English trading company)...so the French connection seems to end at that point.
The English just had a stronger economic base so they were able to supply goods(trade goods, guns) when the French were not. There is a letter written to warn English traders to not trade with the pro-French tribe the "Alabama's" because the English government felt the Alabama's were acting as middle men and were using them as a vehicle to receive black market English trade goods. This is just one example of the woes of the French in trying to compete with English in keeping their allies happy & supplied.

Have a good day,
David
 
The majority of my hunting is squirrel and rabbit with a little deer hunting and fifty yards would probably be the max shot for that. I've considered a .40 caliber rifle which is legal for deer in Alabama. A little large for small game but I think usable. But in the long run,I think I would bring home more meat with a smoothbore. Again,thanks for the input!

JD41111 If small game huntin and deer are your main targets i think a 40 cal rifle would be a better choice than a smooth bore .especialy if you are the one buying the powder and balls for either one .I have been using a 40 for squirrels for a few years (4) and found they work great (they take the head clear off)which is what you wont .
I think with a souped up charge and a close shot in the right spot it would work on a small deer too .This is just my opinion and it might not work for everyone so take it for what its worth. I eat what i kill (squirrel,deer,turkey) and a few others.
But its your choice on what you like and can afford. Askin one gun to do it all is a tall order so have fun and ask lots of questions and you will figure it out. I guess i realy like a rifle better than a smoothbore but thats just personal preferrance. Curt
 
Thanks Mr. Hobbs for your reply and noted. Also, for hunting the management areas in Alabama, the .40 is the largest ball allowed for small game and is the smallest allowed for deer, thus i have a green mountain barrel which i use as my catchall gun. It is guite easy to head shoot a deer at 50 yards or so, if one is suspicious of its ability on body shots.
 
I've considered a .40 caliber rifle which is legal for deer in Alabama.

That .40 will be fine for hunting deer in Alabama, Tennessee and Florida but not in your home state of Indiana. In Indiana it must be .44 caliber or larger, loaded with a projectile .357 or larger. Keep yer powder dry.......robin :hmm:
 
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If limited to a single gun for everything, I MIGHT pick a .62 smoothbore.

If I were to have to pick two guns to do everything with, I would definitely go with a .62 smoothbore and a .40 or .45 caliber rifle, and feel I had everything pretty well covered and never look back.

I now have in the safe, a .45 rifle, a .54 Yeager rifle, a .54 smoothrifle, a .62 smoothbore, and a .40 rifle ( my first ) on order from Tip Curtis.
Got the .45 a year and a half ago, and love it. It may be my perfect all-aroumd caliber.
 
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