AM I IN TROUBLE!?

[JohnnyO]

Aight so some of u may remember a week or so ago that I posted about getting a patch stuck in the barrel of my 1861 Springfield.
I tried the C02 unloader and that didnt work, ball puller didnt work, so I had to order a patch pulling worm.
Today the worm arrived so I poured some BC77 solvent into the barrel to sorta lube up the patch a bit and I tried the worm several times, and all I ever did was pull out several small rust covered pieces of patch. I tried some more and eventually one of the spiral pieces n the worm broke off...and the cleaning rod is breaking, and this is after the handle on the first one broke last time...
So I tried the C02 unloader twice and all that did was blow some brown muck outta the barrel...the patch did NOT move at all... :shake:
I am trying the broken worm some more and i can sometimes get it hooked in but it just slips right now, i cant even seem to pull out some pieces of patch...
I now have to get ready for work but I just must ask a few things.
How damaged do you think my barrel will be from the rust, and just incase, how much would a new barrel be? I believe my gun is an armisport
And then most importantly, how the heck am I going to get this patch out?!?

 

[Maynerd62411]

It sounds like the patch is hung up on something. Have you thought of putting a few grains of powder under the nipple and shooting it out. Remove the nipple and put some powder in , replace the nipple , cap and fire. It might do the trick.

 

[freeonthree]

You might try takeing the breach plug out and push it out. :hmm:

Keep em smoken Freeonthree

 

[taylorh]

I've never heard of a patch getting stuck like this. It must be hanging on some metal spur. Thats why it won't freely blow out. I can't imagine that you have ruined your barrel though. Just the rifeling at the end counts anyways. If I knew there wasn't any projectile in the gun I'd be tempted to to burn it out with some powder. Still I don't see why your worm didn't grab it.
Good Luck,
Taylor in Texas

 

[Roy]

You might try takeing the breach plug out and push it out. :hmm:

This will be your best bet and you can also check out any damage that may or may not have taken place. :thumbsup:

 

[oldarmy]

they seat those breech plugs in Italian guns pretty tight.
"presure fited" you might be better trying to burn it out.
I had a patch get stuck in a 1861 springfield. it was a armi sport. I took the nipple out and went through the clean out screw hole.
Used a fine piece of wire and pulled out a cleaning patch.
In pieces.
I never thought to burn it out.
I assume you mean with black powder? and then flushing with water

 

[jtmattison]

You might try takeing the breach plug out and push it out. :hmm:

This will be your best bet and you can also check out any damage that may or may not have taken place. :thumbsup:

I don't know anything about this particular rifle but is the breech plug meant to be removed?

I think I would put some powder in it first and try to blow it out.

Is it just a patch lost down the barrel?? Or is it a patched ball??

Having just a patch stuck in the barrel seems odd.

Huntin Dawg

 

[roundball]

You might take the barrel to a machine shop or automotive place where they might have commercial size air compressor and try blowing it out...big air compressors have much more power and air flow volume than a little CO2 discharger

 

[Big John]

Take your ramrod and seat the patch/ball all the way.(sometimes air will blow by the patch and it won't move). Pour liquid down the barrell to soften the patch, go to a tire shop and blow it out with a compressor. Otherwise get a ball pulling screw and pull it out.

 

[harryo]

You might take the barrel to a machine shop or automotive place where they might have commercial size air compressor and try blowing it out...big air compressors have much more power and air flow volume than a little CO2 discharger

Air compressors have much more air flow volume, and more volume might push the stuck patch out, but no regular air compressor can match the pressure of the little CO2 cartridge. Believe it or not, the CO2 in that cartridge is under 852.8 psi at 70 degrees F. If you use one to remove a ball make sure the barrel is pointed in a safe direction because the ball does come out with a bit of force.

 

[JohnnyO]

I GOT THE PATCH OUT!
It took forever!

I tried the broken worm several times, again only achieving the removal of bits of soggy patch. The patch just would not budge in any direction. Even when it felt like i got a good hard pull it wouldnt grab any, and i had to once have my dad help me pull the gun while the cleaning rod was in a vise, it just sliped right out with only a tiny bit of patch.
I removed the barrel and looked at the breech...i dont even know what a breech plug is so that didnt help :haha:
I decided to try an tap the cleaning rod against the wad to smash it down a bit and use my last C02 cartridge. I also put some beesewax/allox lube around the base of the nipple just to make sure the seal was better. I pulled the unloader trigger and POOF! That dirty nasty wad shot out of the barrel, all the way across the garage, and left a black mark on the wall. It flew pretty straight as well!!!!! :shocked2:
Thanks to all the advice, I hope I caused some laughs at my mistakes at least hahaha...
I still have NO idea how that patch was stuck so hard, it was just a patch, no ball, no piece of cleaning rod jag...just a dirty ol patch...
I cleaned my barrel, took a look inside with a flashlight and it looked pretty good.
Worms broke = 1
Cleaning rods broke = 2, though 1 is still useful
C02 cartridges used = 5
Stress Level = too high to count

All in all...a good experience :v

 

[Legionair]

I'd have to go with these other fellas, there's got to be somthing in your barrel like a spur or sharp nick. Get a bore light and drop her in to examine the bore good.

Better yet, get a right angle light and shine in through the breech end (you dont want to get the light stuck!).

Legion

 

[walruskid1]

if you still have eyesight and all your fingers it was a good learning experience. :rotf:

 

[musketman]

I still have NO idea how that patch was stuck so hard, it was just a patch, no ball, no piece of cleaning rod jag...just a dirty ol patch...

I would say it was stuck because of one of the following reasons...

1. Someone before you left a dirty patch in there and it bonded to the breech as it dried...

2. Perhaps there is a sliver on metal sticking out inside the breech (from when the gun was made) that caught the cloth...

 

[bob1961]

Worms broke = 1
Cleaning rods broke = 2, though 1 is still useful
C02 cartridges used = 5
Stress Level = priceless

they should make a commercal out of this....glad ya got it out....all i ever did was get a dry patch stuck on the jag or the brush that i never use anymore................bob

 

[Wart]

JohnnyO ... I would recommend you get/borrow a bore lite and check the barrel (inside). Something that shouldn't be there caused the patch to hang up. I have no idea what - maybe a burr or rough spot. Anyway, glad you got it out and no one got hurt.

 

[mmahlock]

It may be obvious but I'd sugest that you get another patch worm this time get one that looks like a cork screw (I've had bad experiences with the two tine versions) Also try to get one that is made of what looks like twisted wire rather than a solid design. JMO. Also I'd suggest that you get a metal rod for cleaning.

 

[JohnnyO]

heh, I did use a metal rod, one had the handle bust off the end and the newer one i was putting so much torque on it that the sections were screwing into each other deeper than they were supposed to, and that made each connection buckle outwards in shreds...sorta what a CCI musket cap looks like when fired...but this was just each cleaning rod section screwing into the other...kinda odd...i used pliers to push the shard pieces down and I guess i'll use that as a "just in case" spare cleaning rod...
And yes I will look for newer/better worms...

 

[Rocky Johnson]

JonnyO I like to use mops instead of patchs on a jag for cleaning and when I have droped patchs I use a ball puller to remove them. :winking: Rocky

 

[musketman]

And yes I will look for newer/better worms...

You can make one yourself with a stout coil spring and a good rod...