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My experience with it after trying out 2 pounds was that it won't ignite in your barrel either. I used the last half pound for a 4th of July display. I works fine if you use a duplex load w/BP.Deacon Goodfellow said:
Having said that I'm sure others have had better luck with it.
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I think you will find that it requires a high flash point to ignite, and that is best provided by modern pistol, rifle, and shotgun primers, not percussion primers. It was designed to use in cartridge guns for the low velocity loads in the Cowboy Action Shooting game. Apparently, it passes as " Black Powder for shooting those competitions.
Real life won't let you bend the rules that way.
Real life won't let you bend the rules that way.
Methinks most people overly complicate things with their obsession for surgical cleaning of ML when afield. If fired, I give the bore a few swabs with wet tow or patches, run a couple of dry swabs, followed by lubricant of choice (plain old lard works great) soaked patches or tow, then a couple dry swabs before reloading.
More important to get the bore lubricated in the field, save the lay away cleaning once back home. I have done this for years, never had a problem yet
More important to get the bore lubricated in the field, save the lay away cleaning once back home. I have done this for years, never had a problem yet
I dont have a lot of good things to say, it shot ok -sometimes it took some BP in the under the nipple, it's not near as clean as 777, and after 1/2 a pound I let it sit for a few months and looked at it the other day..it's changed color and is clumped up? shook it real hard and that got it lose, still has the problem of sometimes not going off when shot out of rifles that Always have. :hmm: Fred :hatsoff:
I tried it in my 50 cal. Hawkens style percussion rifle, with Remington nipple huggers. Shot fine, good accuracy, clean barrel, little residue. Loaded up some 45 L.C. for Cowboy shooting in my Colts and Winchester, same results, excellent accuracy.
Like to try new things once in awhile. Even though I still think BP is king, stinks good, lots-of-smoke, gets your fingers dirty, and makes the wife complain when I clean my smokepole in the house!
Storm acoming, stay away from yeller snow. Taste funny ya know!
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Like to try new things once in awhile. Even though I still think BP is king, stinks good, lots-of-smoke, gets your fingers dirty, and makes the wife complain when I clean my smokepole in the house!
Storm acoming, stay away from yeller snow. Taste funny ya know!
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I have used it in my perc. guns and perc. shotguns. It works ok. Problem with the rifles is the powder degrades in time and what worked good and accurate 6 mos. ago,isn't all that accurate today. I still have some to use up and I will use it up in the shotguns.
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I share your position, Tans. When afield on foot I plug the nipple with toothpick, fill barrel with boiling water and soak for few minutes, pour out and repeat. then bore mop with Go-Jo white I carry in squeeze tube. dry patch until clean and stand the barrel near the fire for awhile until warm to touch, this drys it completely.
I clean the lock with a piece of towel and Go-Jo and assemble the rifle and wipe down with Go-Jo, then reload. Good to go.
Cap and ball revolvers when afield I wipe down good with Go-Jo and brush and mop the bore, rinse with hot water, dry, wipe again and reload. No problems.
At home I use hot windsheild washer fluid for cleanup after dry patching couple times, really brings the crud out. I do the same when I haul gear in my truck for a campout or go to deer camp.
I clean the lock with a piece of towel and Go-Jo and assemble the rifle and wipe down with Go-Jo, then reload. Good to go.
Cap and ball revolvers when afield I wipe down good with Go-Jo and brush and mop the bore, rinse with hot water, dry, wipe again and reload. No problems.
At home I use hot windsheild washer fluid for cleanup after dry patching couple times, really brings the crud out. I do the same when I haul gear in my truck for a campout or go to deer camp.
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it'll rust! don't let them blow smoke up your wazzoo, it will soak up moisture just fine.
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JR is right on. If you are too lazy to clean don't shoot, unless you don't care about accuracy or buying new barrels....often.........
Even smokless powder will rot a barrel in a short time if left uncleaned in any conditions with humidity. Don't believe it? Then I'd never buy a barrel/gun from you! I know from experience!!!
Why do you think the DIs made you clean your rifle (besides the fact you could clean and learned to put it back together), to bust your $#@!*? I don't think so.
Why are there some really fine rifles from those we try to emulate? Wall hangers (never been shot), or good owners who understood cleaning ( and the ethic of shooting/cleaning)? I think the latter. It would be a wonderful thing to have one of those for a week of hunting.........I'd learn soooo much
Even smokless powder will rot a barrel in a short time if left uncleaned in any conditions with humidity. Don't believe it? Then I'd never buy a barrel/gun from you! I know from experience!!!
Why do you think the DIs made you clean your rifle (besides the fact you could clean and learned to put it back together), to bust your $#@!*? I don't think so.
Why are there some really fine rifles from those we try to emulate? Wall hangers (never been shot), or good owners who understood cleaning ( and the ethic of shooting/cleaning)? I think the latter. It would be a wonderful thing to have one of those for a week of hunting.........I'd learn soooo much
You are pushing your luck if you do not clean the gun after shooting the APP.
APP is nothing more than Clean Shot under yet another name. It is based on ascorbic acid and potassium nitrate. Others using the same ingredients: Black Mag, Black Canyon and of course the original Golden Powder.
The way it has been produced has changed over the years. Now we see little bags of silica gel packed in the containers with the powder. The idea being that if any moisture does get into the container it will be picked up by the silica gel rather than the powder.
Shelf life with these powders is a mixed bag. It is not unusual for the powder to clump a bit during storage. Most of the time the clumping is not very hard and simply stirring the powder with a finger breaks the clumps back to individual grains.
Look mainly for a change in odor. The powders based on ascorbic acid give a sweet tart smell if you sniff the container. When the powder starts to decompose the odor changes to something akin to rotting veggies.
The outfit that has produced this powder under various names has claimed that since the powder does not contain sulfur it is not corrosive. That is utter nonsense.
Any powder using potassium nitrate as the oxygen source produces potassium carbonate (potash) as a solid product of combustion. Under the right conditions potassium carbonate is corrosive to brass, iron and steels. Faster and more obvious on brass. Slower and a bit more subtle on iron and steel.
I should also mention GOEX's Pinnacle powder made for them by APP. I have partial bottles of it dating to early 2005 that I open and check once a month. So far no sign of going over the hill.
APP is nothing more than Clean Shot under yet another name. It is based on ascorbic acid and potassium nitrate. Others using the same ingredients: Black Mag, Black Canyon and of course the original Golden Powder.
The way it has been produced has changed over the years. Now we see little bags of silica gel packed in the containers with the powder. The idea being that if any moisture does get into the container it will be picked up by the silica gel rather than the powder.
Shelf life with these powders is a mixed bag. It is not unusual for the powder to clump a bit during storage. Most of the time the clumping is not very hard and simply stirring the powder with a finger breaks the clumps back to individual grains.
Look mainly for a change in odor. The powders based on ascorbic acid give a sweet tart smell if you sniff the container. When the powder starts to decompose the odor changes to something akin to rotting veggies.
The outfit that has produced this powder under various names has claimed that since the powder does not contain sulfur it is not corrosive. That is utter nonsense.
Any powder using potassium nitrate as the oxygen source produces potassium carbonate (potash) as a solid product of combustion. Under the right conditions potassium carbonate is corrosive to brass, iron and steels. Faster and more obvious on brass. Slower and a bit more subtle on iron and steel.
I should also mention GOEX's Pinnacle powder made for them by APP. I have partial bottles of it dating to early 2005 that I open and check once a month. So far no sign of going over the hill.
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