Amusing/Ridiculous Muzzleloading Misconceptions...

[Stantheman86]

Not sure if I should add this but....
The other day at the Gunsmith a customer said there is no way he would use a muzzleloader because of all the time it took to reload.
Now this guy is competitive shooter.

I said I did not spend much time reloading. For a start I dont have to worry about case preparation.
He gave me a stunned look and said "I never thought of it like that before"

Intelligent people that are into target shooting get it. I tell them "Muzzleloading is hand loading for every shot "

You work up your load , projectile, etc and obtain the best results, you are literally hand loading right at the firing line.

 

[J. Paul]

There was a saying about arguing with a person of little intelligence, i will clean it up. "Never argue with an idiot, as a stranger passing by might not realize who the idiot is".

Never wrestle in the mud with a pig (or an idiot). You both get dirty, but only the pig will enjoy it.

 

[ML48]

Never wrestle in the mud with a pig (or an idiot). You both get dirty, but only the pig will enjoy it.

Does that come from experience

 

[Flintlock Whiskey]

As far as this subject and just about any other, the world is overflowing with a staggering amount of ignorance. What is more, one can almost never change their minds. My Uncle was like that until he took his first shot from my ML rifle. When he passed he left his widow with around 30 BP guns.

 

[Treestalker]

Why what happened?
Did they mess up your chromosomes or something?

MOMMA TRIED.

 

[Dude]

i sometimes ponder how the human race manages to propagate

In actual fact, it takes absolutely no brains to propagate. It's an animal urge that tends to over-ride any smarts a person's got. How they got dumb is another matter (and subject) entirely.

 

[Howard Pippin]

Yeah, yeah, here we go...let's blame the white man for everything.
Also, fact is the Indians would run herds of Bison off cliffs by the thousands. So not all were shot with rifles by the WHITE GUYS!! And that 30,000,000 was not in the mid 1800's.

I do get tired of this myth, that the white man killed the Bison with rifles. There was Really swell article on this a few years ago that I still have in my computer that says they were killed by the ticks that came up from Texas with the cattle drives starting 1860 or thereabouts. If anyone was interested I would love to send it to you. Some estimates are that there were 60 million Buffalo. If hide hunters would kill 500,000 a year which I think is way over estimate, it would it took 120 years to kill the Buffalo, figuring that they never had any more calves. If there was only 30 million, is still what it took 60 years not counting the increase in calves, What should've added 20 million more. After all the Indians were pretty well decimated by that time, so they weren't getting all that many. Any that went to the reservations had to eat cows that came up from Texas, with ticks. the article I have is about three pages long, came out of a national magazine, and I would sure love to email it to whoever would read it. I don't know how to post it here, unless they would accept a PDF file which I could turn it into. If somebody would let me know, I can do that.
Squint

 

[Kmcmichael]

@DUNKS Was it Canadian Rifles at Sainte Foy perhaps? I never read of such an account in 1760 regarding American Rifles. Interesting. I’d love to read it if you could post a pic of the page or link the reference.

I have read that account but can’t remember the details. I seem to remember that the other officer was Tarlton And the fellow telling the tail was pretty humerous

 

[Enfield58]

I do get tired of this myth, that the white man killed the Bison with rifles. There was Really swell article on this a few years ago that I still have in my computer that says they were killed by the ticks that came up from Texas with the cattle drives starting 1860 or thereabouts. If anyone was interested I would love to send it to you. Some estimates are that there were 60 million Buffalo. If hide hunters would kill 500,000 a year which I think is way over estimate, it would it took 120 years to kill the Buffalo, figuring that they never had any more calves. If there was only 30 million, is still what it took 60 years not counting the increase in calves, What should've added 20 million more. After all the Indians were pretty well decimated by that time, so they weren't getting all that many. Any that went to the reservations had to eat cows that came up from Texas, with ticks. the article I have is about three pages long, came out of a national magazine, and I would sure love to email it to whoever would read it. I don't know how to post it here, unless they would accept a PDF file which I could turn it into. If somebody would let me know, I can do that.
Squint

I believe that if the article is in the form of a PDF file that you can attach it to your post.

 

[LME]

I hear a lot of you making comments about talking to fools or idiots, etc.
I have always contended, "it takes one to know one"!!
"PAGE 18 COMING UP"

Ther are so many catagories a man has to be ignorant on some subject?
I don't like people that think they know it all. It really bothers people like us that do! Pun intended!

 

[Kmcmichael]

The book is "English Guns and Rifles" by John Nigel George, 1947. A lot has been learned since 1947, and there are some errors in the book, but the spirit of the book is totally honest, and J.N. George put in lots of fascinating anecdotes which make it a great read and well worth having in your library - just don't use it as a primary source in a research project. It can be found online for less than $40.

- Bill

Can you post that quote?

 

[Dude]

the article I have is about three pages long, came out of a national magazine, and I would sure love to email it to whoever would read it. I don't know how to post it here, unless they would accept a PDF file which I could turn it into. If somebody would let me know, I can do that.
Squint

If you can't post it here, I'd be interested in reading it. Send me a PM and I'll tell you where to send it. I tried sending you a PM but your messages are blocked.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

If you can't post it here, I'd be interested in reading it. Send me a PM and I'll tell you where to send it. I tried sending you a PM but your messages are blocked.

Just did a search on Google for it: cows bison ticks will get you several hits on the topic.
The claims sound very convincing. It's impossible for hiders and train shooters to kill that many bison in that short a time frame and wipe out over 30 million bison.

 

[SOLANCO]

That was then....this is now. I didn't do it.......you didn't do it....I don't owe them or anyone else NOTHING!! That was the times...period!

Lots of wishy washy folk these days judging people in history by today's (often lame) standards.
Makes me wonder who the hell these people think they are that they can sit in judgment of ANYONE at all. Let alone those dead for decades or more. We have raised too many who are too big for their britches.

 

[SOLANCO]

I just get rude and nasty with people that don’t mind their own business anymore. It’s the only message some idiots understand…

Me too. Although I did eventually need to use the verticle butt stroke on one of them.

 

[LawrenceA]

I do get tired of this myth, that the white man killed the Bison with rifles. There was Really swell article on this a few years ago that I still have in my computer that says they were killed by the ticks that came up from Texas with the cattle drives starting 1860 or thereabouts. If anyone was interested I would love to send it to you. Some estimates are that there were 60 million Buffalo. If hide hunters would kill 500,000 a year which I think is way over estimate, it would it took 120 years to kill the Buffalo, figuring that they never had any more calves. If there was only 30 million, is still what it took 60 years not counting the increase in calves, What should've added 20 million more. After all the Indians were pretty well decimated by that time, so they weren't getting all that many. Any that went to the reservations had to eat cows that came up from Texas, with ticks. the article I have is about three pages long, came out of a national magazine, and I would sure love to email it to whoever would read it. I don't know how to post it here, unless they would accept a PDF file which I could turn it into. If somebody would let me know, I can do that.
Squint

Love to read it but I can't start a conversation with you. How can I send you my email?

 

[BadDaditood]

Wow! 18 pages!!!
Did he ever get the ball unstuck?

 

[Cruzatte]

I do get tired of this myth, that the white man killed the Bison with rifles. There was Really swell article on this a few years ago that I still have in my computer that says they were killed by the ticks that came up from Texas with the cattle drives starting 1860 or thereabouts. If anyone was interested I would love to send it to you. Some estimates are that there were 60 million Buffalo. If hide hunters would kill 500,000 a year which I think is way over estimate, it would it took 120 years to kill the Buffalo, figuring that they never had any more calves. If there was only 30 million, is still what it took 60 years not counting the increase in calves, What should've added 20 million more. After all the Indians were pretty well decimated by that time, so they weren't getting all that many. Any that went to the reservations had to eat cows that came up from Texas, with ticks. the article I have is about three pages long, came out of a national magazine, and I would sure love to email it to whoever would read it. I don't know how to post it here, unless they would accept a PDF file which I could turn it into. If somebody would let me know, I can do that.
Squint

On this subject....David Dary wrote a book some thirty years ago called The Buffalo Book, published by the University of Kansas Press. He devotes quite a bit of ink on buffalo population, and mortality rates of the animal. He basically came to the same conclusion.

 

[Woody Morgan]

This thread certainly swerves.

wm

 

[Flintlock Whiskey]

I do get tired of this myth, that the white man killed the Bison with rifles. There was Really swell article on this a few years ago that I still have in my computer that says they were killed by the ticks that came up from Texas with the cattle drives starting 1860 or thereabouts. If anyone was interested I would love to send it to you. Some estimates are that there were 60 million Buffalo. If hide hunters would kill 500,000 a year which I think is way over estimate, it would it took 120 years to kill the Buffalo, figuring that they never had any more calves. If there was only 30 million, is still what it took 60 years not counting the increase in calves, What should've added 20 million more. After all the Indians were pretty well decimated by that time, so they weren't getting all that many. Any that went to the reservations had to eat cows that came up from Texas, with ticks. the article I have is about three pages long, came out of a national magazine, and I would sure love to email it to whoever would read it. I don't know how to post it here, unless they would accept a PDF file which I could turn it into. If somebody would let me know, I can do that.
Squint

I would like a copy if I can give you a email address.