An original! Priced piece in my collection

[TheTyler7011]

Auction house said 1640s but who knows, I’m sure they just say that to increase its relevance to the English civil war. The odd ball to it is it has a steel plate which I’m assuming wasn’t super common ?

 

[russellshaffer]

That's a really nice old musket. It has sure not been military issued in its many years.

 

[PathfinderNC]

Wow thats cool. It looks to be in remarkably great condition for being some 380 years old.

 

[TobJohn]

I can’t speak to the rest, but metal butt plates were the norm on muskets by the 1640s.

 

[64Springer]

Neat piece.

The grain in the wood reminds me of the Yugoslavian M48 bolt actions and SKS's.

Especially right behind the breech.

 

[TheTyler7011]

I can’t speak to the rest, but metal butt plates were the norm on muskets by the 1640s.

Interesting didn’t know that

 

[TobJohn]

Interesting didn’t know that

Matchlock Musket, Suhl appr. 1630
This article has a bit on it.

I am not fully sure about the author’s qualification’s but I am confident his gunsmith, who the site is advertising for, knows his stuff.

 

[cyten]

Very nice! Congrats

 

[rickystl]

WOW!!! Congratulations !!! What a great addition. Thanks for posting. The fishtail butt stock with thumb cut-out seems to have been popular during the first and part of the second quarters of the 17th Century.

Rick

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

Very nice. How’s it group?

 

[TheTyler7011]

Very nice. How’s it group?

Only fired it once into a pond lol

 

[Brazos John]

Great-looking weapon!
Thanks for posting photos that are clear when we zoom in to see the details!
Details matter to lots of folks.

 

[TobJohn]

Speaking of details, have you found any maker or proof marks on it?

 

[TheTyler7011]

Speaking of details, have you found any maker or proof marks on it?

Nope there’s just a 110 or 011 on the barrel

 

[TobJohn]

Nope there’s just a 110 or 011 on the barrel

Huh, interesting. Are they located by the sight/rear of the barrel?

 

[RAEDWALD]

The cogniscenti will doubtless feel free to correct my error, but my understanding was that flat sheet butt plates of the period were nailed on?

 

[Pukka Bundook]

I too have only seen nailed on John.
The area behind the tang is different to any I have seen as well.

How is the bore Tyler?

 

[Rudyard]

It would seem that the butt was extended longer, the current Butt plate is modern neat domed headers and that perfect scored line & gauge plate are modern , The false breach area is as Pukka observes unusual the dovetailed fore sight is unusual ,despite all the distressed rusted bits & have my doubts Many guns & armours where made in Victorian times the go into Newly rich houses that had No real aristacratic heritage , So adding a mixed bag of old & new gave their rooms some aged appearance . And perhaps this was just such a piece got up for that reason .
Nobodies asking me, I have no stake in it but this is my feeling , And guns' talk' to me you could say and this ones saying' Caviet Emptor' let the buyer beware '.
Regards Rudyard

 

[TobJohn]

For anyone who wants to know more about Victorian reproductions, here is a decent video on the subject:

 

[Rudyard]

Since you seem to have bought this musket I hope I haven't spoiled your day. the two Rock Island Pistols are in a different league & there where forgers like Earnst Smitt .Who added old bits from wrecked / wormed original bone inlay to upgrade plain if other wise genuine guns & armours many Museums have these like the Wallace collection where Wallace & his peers strived to collect guns & the Smitts of this world where happy to 'find" these . They where not gunmakers (The buyers ) didn't ' see through' guns and by our standards just went for pretty & not the study of arms .Glenbow had similar 'upgraded' stuff The then Conservator of the Wallace collection (London) David Edge shewed me various pieces . Wallace probably didn't know or want to know . Hope that sits better
.Regards Rudyard