An unfair comparison between Kibler Colonial and trade guns??

[hanshi]

I like the trade guns and I like Kibler's smoothrifles. If you ever want to wing shoot the Kibler is too heavy and not as nimble as a trade gun, fusil or regular smoothbore. But if your target is on the ground it really doesn't matter.

 

[Ferret Master]

Both guns up in Indiana with my Son. How about some videos building and shooting basically the same gun:



I forgot to mention that the vendor will solder on the sight for you as well.

 

[BillinOregon]

Brian, I watched your videos and subscribed to your channel. Great job on the vids, on the builds, and you have me convinced on the Skychief load.

 

[rusticbob]

Only know mine, but the Pedersoli Indian trade I have sparks great after I changed to a lead flint wrap. Much faster and more consistent.

Just my 2$ worth

 

[Loja man]

Boy, this thread is right up my alley as I am pondering the same thing: which smoothbore? The Kibler would be my first choice for ease of completing, but I want 20-gauge/62 and more of a dedicated fowler than a smooth rifle. I was also looking at the TVM Tulle and the Chambers Pennsylvania and English fowlers (like the New England fowler's stock architecture best, but it only comes in 10, 11 and 12 gauge). Hadn't thought of Pecatonica or Clay Smith. Smith's French Tulle has great stock lines, but I am not sure about the lock pictured and not sure where RE Davis locks rank on the list of speed, reliability and historical accuracy.

The chambers PA Fowler is a dream!! I was able to shot Hatchet Jacks at Friendship this past summer. A wonderful light gun that balances beautifully. It is at the top of my list! I also really like the Clay Smith guns look great but I have never handled one.

 

[Mas Casa]

Not .62 caliber, but there is Chambers' New England Fowler/Militia musket. Perhaps you could get the barrel cut back to 36".

 

[Hatchet-Jack]

The Chambers PA Fowler is a dream as Loja Man put it!

 

[BillinOregon]

That fowler is just gorgeous -- what you would expect from Jim Chambers. It's so long I'm thinking a guy might need a special roof rack to carry it ...

 

[Birddog1911]

The Chambers PA Fowler is a dream as Loja Man put it!
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That is beautiful. How was the inletting on the stock?

 

[Hatchet-Jack]

That is beautiful. How was the inletting on the stock?

Thank you. The stock does require some work to finish the inletting. I'd say it's like 80% done. The butt plate and that finial on the trigger guard was the most challenging.

 

[TDM]

@Ferret Master, didn’t realize those were yours. I’m a long time subscriber, enjoy your videos.

 

[Ferret Master]

TDM
Sadly they are not my guns. The guns in the videos were built by Mr Kauffman. After watching his video's I bought a couple of kits for my son and I. Since I do not have any pictures of my guns I put up the video's made by Mr Kauffman so folks could see what a well-built Pecatonica looks like and shoots like.
Sorry for any confusion.
Ferret Master

 

[Notchy Bob]

Just to complicate things further, I believe Brad and Shane Emig of Cabin Creek Muzzleloading produce a very nice fowling piece as a semi-finished kit, assembled in the white, or as a finished gun.

Danny Caywood specializes in smoothbores... Northwest guns, two types of French fusils, a "Chief's Grade" early English trade gun, an English game gun...

As for the Kibler versus "other" dilemma, I think you may be able to have it both ways in the pretty near future, as Mr. Kibler is rumored to have a flintlock smoothbore trade gun or fowling piece of some sort in the works.

Good luck!

Notchy Bob

 

[springfield art]

So help me, I'm going to go crazy trying to select a smoothbore. Here's what I'm considering. For the purpose of this discussion, I'm listing kits. But a complete rifle isn't out of the equation.

I love the look of a Fusil. That will be a much more involved kit build, and I'm still a real novice. The one I think I'm most attracted to is the Clay Smith kit.

NW Trade Gun. A number of options. One that is attractive, from a skill level perspective, is the Pedersoli NW kit.

Kibler Colonial. A no brainer build, and quality parts.

For the moment, let's disregard caliber. Weight is one consideration. It seems the Kibler would be the heaviest. But how much will that affect the "pointability"?

So much to consider!

I always thought Kiblers were svelte and handy; don't know if the term "heavy" applies to them at all.

 

[Prairie Banditti]

Hello Hatchet-Jack,
Truly fine work in putting your Chambers PA fowler together...I am going with their Colonial Fowler...what wood did you choose (still going back-and-forth between cherry and curly maple). What were the finishes you used on the lock, stock and barrel?
Much appreciated!

 

[mikesto44]

R.E Davis locks are in my opinion great locks as well as Zornes locks.

 

[TDM]

Are the Davis locks on par with a Chambers?

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

I think you may be able to have it both ways in the pretty near future, as Mr. Kibler is rumored to have a flintlock smoothbore trade gun or fowling piece of some sort in the works.

That is now a 2+ year old rumor, but he issued the Woods Runner first.

But back to the topic at hand, I myself would never confuse the handling and aiming of a smooth rifle vs. the handling and pointing of a fowler. they are not the same! A rifle without rifling is just that ... a smooth rifle. Otherwise for stock shape, drop (VERY important!) and architecture et al ... it is a rifle ... and it is just not a smoothbore 'fowler'.

Can it be used as such? Yes ... but that's about it ...

 

[Brokennock]

I myself would never confuse the handling and aiming of a smooth rifle vs. the handling and pointing of a fowler. they are not the same! A rifle without rifling is just that ... a smooth rifle. Otherwise for stock shape, drop (VERY important!) and architecture et al ... it is a rifle ... and it is just not a smoothbore 'fowler'.

Can it be used as such? Yes ... but that's about it ...

Spot on.

 

[Quicksilver]

The Chambers PA Fowler is a dream as Loja Man put it!
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That is one heck of a nice looking firearm!!