Antique Firearms

[Gordoncourtney]

But they are NOT muzzleloading, right?

No but if you say antiques it includes everything. I guess antique is the wrong word

 

[Feltwad]

No but if you say antiques it includes everything. I guess antique is the wrong word

Let's not go through all that again
Feltwad

 

[TFoley]

This 1858 percussion muzzleloading Pritchett rifle is an antique -

This 1980 percussion muzzle-loading Parker-Hale 'Whitworth'-style rifle is NOT an antique.

 

[Relic shooter]

Seems to be a variety of not so well thought out & self centered comments on this new category proposal.

The majority of us our own areas of historical firearms interest, we should not get too nitpicky & expect everyone to march to the desires of a few individuals.
Example;
A great many of us on this forum shoot original & replica Civil War era revolvers & rifles including the percussion Sharps.
My replica & original mid-1800s Cap & Ball Revolvers could be loaded from the muzzle but thats not preferable, would they be banned from this new antique category ?
Some have previously posted firearms like the 1700s era Ferguson flintlock & mid 1800s percussion rifles & pistols that could be loaded from the muzzle or breech,
would they be banned ?
I've collected & shot both replica & original flintlock & percussion firearms over the past 60+ years & was in favor of this 'new proposed original antique category.
However if the Forum is trending to ban numerous early historical firearm innovations like the Ferguson, Browning's harmonica it's going over the top dictatorial.
If it's the forum's general consensus that the above historical type of firearms be banned, I respectfully request that this new category proposal be dropped.
relic shooter

 

[Notchy Bob]

Seems to be a variety of not so well thought out & self centered comments on this new category proposal.

The majority of us our own areas of historical firearms interest, we should not get too nitpicky & expect everyone to march to the desires of a few individuals.
Example;
A great many of us on this forum shoot original & replica Civil War era revolvers & rifles including the percussion Sharps.
My replica & original mid-1800s Cap & Ball Revolvers could be loaded from the muzzle but thats not preferable, would they be banned from this new antique category ?
Some have previously posted firearms like the 1700s era Ferguson flintlock & mid 1800s percussion rifles & pistols that could be loaded from the muzzle or breech,
would they be banned ?
I've collected & shot both replica & original flintlock & percussion firearms over the past 60+ years & was in favor of this 'new proposed original antique category.
However if the Forum is trending to ban numerous early historical firearm innovations like the Ferguson, Browning's harmonica it's going over the top dictatorial.
If it's the forum's general consensus that the above historical type of firearms be banned, I respectfully request that this new category proposal be dropped.
relic shooter

@relic shooter, this thread is now seven pages long. That's a lot to read if you are just now coming into the discussion, so you may have missed some of the conversation. I think the way things are leaning right now, the proposed Antiques forum will follow most existing forum rules and guidelines. Of the firearms which are currently allowed on the Muzzleloading Forum, the only guns that would be "banned" from the Antiques forum would be those which are not actual antiques. Any antique gun currently allowed on the Muzzleloading Forum would be allowed in the proposed Antiques Forum.

The forum rules can be accessed HERE. If you don't want to read the whole thing, at least please read #1, #7, #8, and the section at the bottom identified as "Posts For Breechloading Guns."

Your original Civil War era revolvers and rifles, including the percussion Sharps, would be welcome on the proposed Antiques Forum. Replicas of those guns would not. Please see post #123 above, by @TFoley However, you can discuss those replicas in other sections of the Muzzleloading Forum, just as you do now.

Guns like the Ferguson flintlock which you mentioned, also the breechloading Hall rifles and so forth would be allowed in the proposed Antiques Forum if they are actual antiques. If they are modern made replicas of those historic firearms, they would not be allowed in the Antiques forum, but you could still discuss them in the Flintlock Rifles or Percussion Rifles (as appropriate) or General Muzzleloading sections.

What makes it an antique? That is still under discussion, but current forum rules imply a manufacture date of 1865 or earlier. I think the moderators will make a final decision on that and provide a cut-off date.

I hope all of that is clear. If the Antiques Forum should become a reality, I'm sure all of us would enjoy seeing some of your originals, including the relics!

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

 

[stephenprops1]

that name sounds a lot like a SCOTSCH ONE to me?

Ferguson was Scottish. --- He made approximately 100 rifles and issued them to some of his troops. They fought the Americans at least once and whipped us. British high command ordered all of the Ferguson rifles confiscated and destroyed. He had not gone thru the proper channels to obtain permission to make and issue his rifles. A handful of these guns were reported to have survived. --- Ferguson was killed at the Battle of Kings Mountain and thus ended his venture.

 

[Relic shooter]

This is the best & most valuable forum for us history buffs hands down, we are indeed fortunate !!
When I started collecting & shooting black powder rifles & revolvers at 13 years old some 67 years ago while growing up in a small New Mexico town. There was no nearby clubs or knowledgeable individuals to get shooting tips from so I made many mistakes. After reaching my 20s I made black powder firearms my life & employment & traveled extensively to M/L shoots, rendezvous & gun shows coast to coast as a competitor & dealer & was fortunate to meet many great people who shared their knowledge with me.
At 80 with health issues I'm no longer able to hunt Idaho's mountains but like other forum members in my shoes we now have the opportunity to help out others in this great forum & keep our historical sport alive.
Seems a little unfair that my 160 year old plus firearms are in much better shape that I
relic shooter

 

[Meriwether]

It is set up. Original Antique Firearms

It may get some tweaking as we see how it goes, and after I read all 7 pages of this thread again.

 

[TDM]

It is set up. Original Antique Firearms

It may get some tweaking as we see how it goes, and after I read all 7 pages of this thread again.

Thank You!

 

[Notchy Bob]

It is set up. Original Antique Firearms

It may get some tweaking as we see how it goes, and after I read all 7 pages of this thread again.

Yay!

Thanks!

Notchy Bob

 

[deerstalkert]

Thank you Meriwether! this is going to cost me money but the true antiques just turn my crank!

 

[SOLANCO]

I would like to contribute but am very busy counting the angels dancing on the head of a straight pin which I am studying.

 

[TDM]

I usually count 64.

 

[SOLANCO]

I would like to contribute but am very busy counting the angels dancing on the head of a straight pin which I am studying.

HELLO!?!?!?
It is the MUZZLE LOADING FORUM!!!! Does that not help clarify what is acceptable?

 

[SOLANCO]

I usually count 64.

Wow! You got big angels!

 

[Relic shooter]

Thanks Meriweather, your efforts to ride heard on forum members opinions & comments are much appreciated.
relic shooter

 

[babstooge]

thanks meriweather, I for one am looking forward to seeing history and reading history. I'm going to enjoy not only American guns but guns from all over the world and how they influenced our makers in the states. Bruce

 

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

Morena Everyone,
Could we have pre 1865 & post ????
Maybe.?

 

[Notchy Bob]

Morena Everyone,
Could we have pre 1865 & post ????
Maybe.?

Yes. Pre-1865 muzzleloaders fit perfectly here.

Notchy Bob

 

[Auldjin]

Could we have pre 1865 & post ????

I cannot see any need for a later than date. If anyone has original matchlocks or wheellocks, let's see them!