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Any pics of southern style smoothbores?

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After reading the posts again I tink it would be good to clarify the guns sold by North Star West. These are Northwest guns which are a different gun from the Carolina/Type G guns.They derive from the Hudsons Bay Company guns and began to appear as such in the early 18th century. "The standard of the 18th century provided a full-stock fowling piece with rather traditional lines:light in weight,reasonable drop to the stock,square lines,a lock without a bridle foe either the tumbler orthe frizzen,a 24 or 28 bore barrel from three feet to four and a half feet long with an octagonal breech for the first six or eight inches,a small front sight but no rear sight,a brass sideplate and thimbles,an iron trigger guard and a brass butt plate held on with nails." "Trade Guns of The Hudson's Bay Company 1670-1970"by S. James Gooding {2003} P.57.
This recent book and "The Northwest Gun" by Charles E.Hanson Jr. are the standard works on the Northwest Gun

The Northest gun as we generally know it dates from the early 18th century and is essentially a gun found in Canada and the the American west.It is often marked with the sitting fox and a rather deep trigger guard. Traditionally the large guard was thought to be large enough to accomodate a mittened hand but newer research has determined that the large size reflected an Indian two finger trigger pull derived from theirraditional two finger bowstring pull.

The earliest Northwest gun of which I am aware is a gun restocked about 1741-1745. In addition there was a gun dated 1762 recovered from a burial site on the Rock Island site in Lake Michigan.These guns were made and sold well into the mid to late 19th century and are different from the Carolina/Type G guns which are primarily 18th and early 19th century and are identified with the Eastern and Southern U.S.Except for about 20,000 guns made for Indians to buy their support in the War of 1812 there were less than 2,000 mde as Indian gift guns and the bulk of them were sold by private traders.
Tom Patton
 
Let me ask this! what about those French and spanish style guns would they not fit into the southern catagory? I have wonderd why know one has asked about the american copy of the proven french styling I think they would would have been manufactured in the south by southern gun builders i.e virginia-Carolina- Georgia, and has anyone especially come across any morovian gun makers (german) smoothbors of the time a lot of them settled in the interior of the colonies from the north through the south. bb75
 
Someone once posted a reference to the royal governor of North Carolina complaining that his colony had such a dearth of persons practicing the mechanical arts.

"Proving" a Southern built pre rev. gun is a tricky proposition. There are a few that are "attributed" to the south, but when it all comes down to brass tacks, most of these attributions are basically varying degrees of speculation.
 
As for the French/ Spanish type guns one would more likely find the real thing in the south in the pre rev period as there was a lot of jockying for alliance and control twixt the British and French in the area between the Carolina coast and the mouth of the Mississippi early in the 18th century and it is likely that various types pf period guns from different countries were traded, stolen, sold from time to time and there are records of Dutch guns being sold in the south in the 1750-1760's which provides another option.
 
That one is excellent in my opinion. In fact, there aren't any other choices that are as PC as that one is. I just noticed the price has been dropped about 1K too. :thumbsup:
 
I concur with Mike here. I do,however,think the time frame is a little restrictive.That gun could go beyond 1760.I also would like a little finer wrist section unless the original was that way.I looked at pics of the Bumford and TR guns and they have finer{as opposed to coarse} wrists.Still this is a really nice Carolina/Type G gun that anyone should be pleased to own.Kudos to the maker,John,and Jack for a job well done.I have to wonder what that gun would look like painted red or with a painted butt stock akin to the Bumford gun.

Only a Sauvage would have asked that question.Merci mon amis

Tom Patton :thumbsup:
 
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