Local man wants to sell me a supposedly unfired flintlock muzzleloader. CVA, he said it says made in USA. Anyone recognize this one, and any idea of the value?
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CVA Mountain Rifles had two wedges. So, that's out.
May be a CVA Frontier Hunter with Mountain Rifle nose cap instead of a brass one. Or the nose cap could be unfinished 'in the white' metal? Best I can do this AM for you.
May be a CVA Frontier Hunter with Mountain Rifle nose cap instead of a brass one. Or the nose cap could be unfinished 'in the white' metal? Best I can do this AM for you.
The only CVA with a "Made in USA" barrel that I know of is the early CVA Mountain Rifle. As @wganz observes, that isn't a CVA Mountain Rifle. Maybe a CVA "Hawken" with a Spanish barrel. The Spanish barrels are quite accurate, so don't let that put you off. But that can be used as a negotiating point.
These are common rifles and won't have a very high value. I would hesitate if the price for that rifle was over $250.
These are common rifles and won't have a very high value. I would hesitate if the price for that rifle was over $250.
This is speculation based off of only having the one photo to go off of. @Grenadier1758 may be right about it being a "Hawken" but it cannot really be determined without seeing the right side of the rifle or the buttplate. If it has a patchbox, then I'm going with his determination. But I thought that the Hawken had brass hardware everywhere including the curved brass buttplate & nose cap whereas the Frontier version had a flat buttplate and dark metal nose cap. Again, changing out that nose cap was common back in that day( I know, I did it myself. )
But @Grenadier1758 is correct regardless of the model on the value. It is my opinion, that if it isn't either a Mountain or Hawken Rifle but the Frontier Hunter, I'd push for $200 since that was the economy model of CVA's line.
Thanks to @Grenadier1758 for his input.
But @Grenadier1758 is correct regardless of the model on the value. It is my opinion, that if it isn't either a Mountain or Hawken Rifle but the Frontier Hunter, I'd push for $200 since that was the economy model of CVA's line.
Thanks to @Grenadier1758 for his input.
Rock Home Isle
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That’s a CVA Frontier Rifle…I have 3 of them. All .45 calibre.
@wganz is correct. It does not have the Hawken trigger guard. And, of course, @Rock Home Isle would know at a glance since he has three of the CVA Frontier Rifles. It was a very basic entry level rifle. It will function well and suffice for deer hunting and target shooting. The lock will take some tuning for best functioning. While the rifle has set triggers, which means the lock has a fly in the tumbler, it's a functioning lock at best.
hanshi
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Many years ago I had a similar one somewhat carelessly built from a kit and it had one wedge and a percussion lock. Nevertheless that little rifle took it's share of deer. And it's true that these great shooters carried a flintlock that tended to sometimes be the weak point.
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Please post photos of the RIGHT hand side - horizontally, laid out left to right like this - I really get a cricky neck trying to decipher photos taken ar strange angles.
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Ramrod seems a tad short for that barrel, no?
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Got any pictures of the lock? So far I’m thinking a pedersoli hawken rifle.
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/product/traditional-hawken-target-rifle-flintlock-model
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/product/traditional-hawken-target-rifle-flintlock-model
It is a CVA Frontier rifle, likely in 50 cal. Some frontiers came in that stock finish with a steel cap. The Frontier hunters had "carbine" barrels approx 24 In.
The front thimble has been replaced by a T/C thimble so you can mount a sling swivel to it, but IF you don't mount it right it pulls loose...like this one has.
Here is an example with blackened furniture:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/949572349/CVA-Frontier-Muzzleloader-50-cal.htm
Here is one with like finish and plain steel furniture in percussion
https://www.armslist.com/posts/13400864/akron-muzzle-loaders-for-sale-trade--cva-frontier-50-caliber
Made by Ardesa in Spain.
The front thimble has been replaced by a T/C thimble so you can mount a sling swivel to it, but IF you don't mount it right it pulls loose...like this one has.
Here is an example with blackened furniture:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/949572349/CVA-Frontier-Muzzleloader-50-cal.htm
Here is one with like finish and plain steel furniture in percussion
https://www.armslist.com/posts/13400864/akron-muzzle-loaders-for-sale-trade--cva-frontier-50-caliber
Made by Ardesa in Spain.
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I'd say Frontier rifle with a Mountain rifle nose cap. I was never fan of those early CVA flintlocks, weak mainsprings, slow lock time, poor geometry, poor frizzen to pan fit, even with the tiniest flint they tend to hit the frizzen and hold it open a bit at halfcock. They can be an accurate rifle, the barrels were very good, but don't be surprised if you have to do some lock tinkering.
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I wouldn't give him more than $125.00 -$200.00
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It is not for you to guess, it is for the seller to provide. Unless the seller comes up with something to identify it in particular, you should assume that it is an assembled collection of parts.
Rock Home Isle
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Those early CVA Frontier Rifles were very reliable as percussion guns. All the 70’s manufacture CVA’s that I’ve held & shot were accurate…some few were exceedingly accurate. The Flintlocks were a hit and miss situation, the frizzens were thin, and there must have been a lot of variation in the hardening process, because there were huge gaps in reliability. Fortunately, R&L makes a replacement…most of the Frontiers had a rounded back, some had a pointed back. From your image I can’t even see the lock…which for traditional blackpowder, is the most interesting part of these firearms. In general, the lock should be included when asking about specifics on firearms
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/759/1/LOCK-LR-02-F
Above is a link to R&L’s rounded back replacement lock
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/759/1/LOCK-LR-01-F
Above is a link to R&L’s pointed back replacement lock
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/759/1/LOCK-LR-02-F
Above is a link to R&L’s rounded back replacement lock
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/759/1/LOCK-LR-01-F
Above is a link to R&L’s pointed back replacement lock
If the barrel isn't a sewer pipe and marked USA and the lock needs no repairs, between 200 and 275.00
If the barrel is a sewer pipe and whatever the barrel is marked, then it's value to me would be no more than $100.
From some of the description, that rifle is a collection of parts not necessarily a specific model although the CVA Frontier seems to be the closest.
From some of the description, that rifle is a collection of parts not necessarily a specific model although the CVA Frontier seems to be the closest.
I agree, I passed when the owner balked at a bore inspection, not interested if I cannot inspect myself.
Owner just got back to me, I will go take a look Sunday with cash.
Just bought it for 150.
CVA Frontier , .50cal flintlock. Excellent bore, nice and bright. Lock sparks , but needs polishing and tuning. I will try to get another thimble to replace the one removed on the front. Looks like I need to remove the under barrel lug to get at the screws. Nicely browned barrel, ugliest stock I have ever seen. If I can get it to shoot reliably it could be my grandsons first flintlock, he is 10 and already has ” flintlock fever”
CVA Frontier , .50cal flintlock. Excellent bore, nice and bright. Lock sparks , but needs polishing and tuning. I will try to get another thimble to replace the one removed on the front. Looks like I need to remove the under barrel lug to get at the screws. Nicely browned barrel, ugliest stock I have ever seen. If I can get it to shoot reliably it could be my grandsons first flintlock, he is 10 and already has ” flintlock fever”
