dukewellington
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Are preccusions as fun as flinters
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I say Duke, you have me laughing and crying at the same time. We have enough politicians trying to lead us in that direction to give me the willies. If Obama gets in the White House, it will soon be time for another rebellion.
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I see it as really simple, if your liking is to the Eastern long guns before 1830, then it is appropriate to go flint. If your liking is the heavy plains and mountain rifles after 1830 then it is appropriate to go percussion. There is something about a half stock flint gun that just doesnt ring right.
They would all fire but they were not consistant. I just got tired of that. When I squeeze the trigger I want it to fire. I hated having to fiddle with the rifle at the firing line. It just got old. To me, that's not fun. I would say my Brown Bess was by far the most consistant. My Tulle was the least.
Renegade Dan
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duke I have a caplock in 50 cal. Renegade, and a 54 cal. Hawken. I use Pyrodex P [equivalent to fffg] I don't have any problems with it. It's too hard to get black powder where I live. Pyrodex works just fine.
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Japanese collect Samurai swords too.
If the poster is from England then that is likely appropriate. I have not seen any Mantons in the museums here in the Western US, and I never pass up an opportunity to vist a museum and I travel a lot.
Half stocks didnt show up commonly until the western fur trade along around 1830, and then they changed to mostly percussion. If you like the long rifle flint is appropriate, if you like the half stock most of them were percussion.
Not sure about that edit........??
If the poster is from England then that is likely appropriate. I have not seen any Mantons in the museums here in the Western US, and I never pass up an opportunity to vist a museum and I travel a lot.
Half stocks didnt show up commonly until the western fur trade along around 1830, and then they changed to mostly percussion. If you like the long rifle flint is appropriate, if you like the half stock most of them were percussion.
Not sure about that edit........??
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Semisane said:
Trust me, it's bad over here were Guns are concerened. Some nutter kills someone, they ban all automatic weapons. It was exactly the same with handguns.
I can't stand the idea, of someone telling me what I can and can't have. You should be able to own any Gun you wan't, as long as you don't have a serious record.
If you outlaw Guns, only outlaws will have Guns!
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Duke,
I'd like to remind you that when a bunch of us didnt like what the crown was doing, we hit them where it hurt....
In the tea bag!!!!!
To answer you question.
NO
Cap guns no way are as much fun as flinters
Oh yeah, you need to come live here with the rest of us Rif-Raf.
I'd like to remind you that when a bunch of us didnt like what the crown was doing, we hit them where it hurt....
In the tea bag!!!!!
To answer you question.
NO
Cap guns no way are as much fun as flinters
Oh yeah, you need to come live here with the rest of us Rif-Raf.
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Would you like it if George bush started giving out £300-400 a week to Romanian imigrants, and Muslim fanatics. Whilst war heroes live in bedsits on £10 a week.
This country is gone.Just heath my Warning! Don't let it happen to you. You have Pure freedom over there, just take the warning and don't let obamah in.
Saying that in this country is racist by the way. So is having the union jack outside you house.
Did you know we had to aplogies to Black people for slavery? We had this big demonstraion thing a few weeks back.
This country is gone.Just heath my Warning! Don't let it happen to you. You have Pure freedom over there, just take the warning and don't let obamah in.
Saying that in this country is racist by the way. So is having the union jack outside you house.
Did you know we had to aplogies to Black people for slavery? We had this big demonstraion thing a few weeks back.
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Claude said:wwpete52 said:
Seven flintlocks and none of them would fire? What are the odds of that. I wonder if they all had something in common that was the cause of the problem?
I was thinking the same thing.....
Having shot caplocks most of my life and being somewhat new to flinters, I still prefer caplocks somewhat. Both are addictively fun. I plan on getting more flinters in the future, but each type has their strong points and I'll never give up percussion guns to go exclusively flint.
I'd say grab a percussion gun and go have fun! Somewhere down the road, you might find yourself with a flinter and you'll love it too. Plus, the experience gained with the percussion gun will come in handy with the flinter.
I'd say grab a percussion gun and go have fun! Somewhere down the road, you might find yourself with a flinter and you'll love it too. Plus, the experience gained with the percussion gun will come in handy with the flinter.
I have a 40cal flintlock Southern Mountain rifle
that I built for myself but, I think my next one
will be a caplock. I have to order black powder
or drive to Little Rock to get it and with gas at
$3.80 or so a gal. it gets to be a pain. With a
caplock I can shoot Pyrodex that Wallyworld has
although at $20 a pd it is a little high. To me
black powder rifles are fun no matter what style
they are.
that I built for myself but, I think my next one
will be a caplock. I have to order black powder
or drive to Little Rock to get it and with gas at
$3.80 or so a gal. it gets to be a pain. With a
caplock I can shoot Pyrodex that Wallyworld has
although at $20 a pd it is a little high. To me
black powder rifles are fun no matter what style
they are.
rafterob
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Thank god the British finally took responsibility for slavery in the Americas (even though the Spanish started it and the Potuguese flourished on the trade). That should end the argument over here. We can just say it was your fault, you apologized, end of story!
Well, I guess I have to repeat:
They would all fire but they were not consistant. I just got tired of that. When I squeeze the trigger I want it to fire. I hated having to fiddle with the rifle at the firing line. It just got old. To me, that's not fun. I would say my Brown Bess was by far the most consistant. My Tulle was the least.
They would all fire but they were not consistant. I just got tired of that. When I squeeze the trigger I want it to fire. I hated having to fiddle with the rifle at the firing line. It just got old. To me, that's not fun. I would say my Brown Bess was by far the most consistant. My Tulle was the least.
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dukewellington,
Take our friend Plink's advise and run with it. I truly believe you won't regret it.
Jay
Take our friend Plink's advise and run with it. I truly believe you won't regret it.
Jay
roundball said::hmm: :grin:Claude said:Seven flintlocks and none of them would fire? What are the odds of that. I wonder if they all had something in common that was the cause of the problem?
I was beginning to think I was too subtle. :wink:
After seeing all of the praise for flintlocks here I thought I was in the Flintlock forum. :hmm:
I kinda doubt that they would allow as much praise of percussion guns over there! :rotf:
duke:
As for "fun", shooting any muzzleloader is fun so I suggest that anyone who enjoys shooting but likes a bit of 'hands on' experience added to their shooting enjoyment should do their best to join the folks who shoot muzzleloaders.
As for Pyrodex, 777 and the other substitute black powders they were all designed to be used in Percussion guns.
As for the question, "Which is better?" the answer depends on the individual.
If dependability is a prime requirement IMO the Percussion is the winner.
Those who disagree with that statement need to ask themselves, "If the Flintlock was superior and more dependable when compared with the Percussion then why did the Percussion system replace it? Also, why were thousands of Flintlocks converted to Percussion? There must have been a reason."
That said, yes the flintlock is fun but IMO a Percussion gun can be just as fun. If dependability is required they can be said to be more fun.
Much of the enjoyment in shooting any of these guns is because YOU are the one who measures the powder. YOU are the one who lubes and positions the patch, places the ball on the muzzle, rams the ball home to its place on the powder, caps the nipple. You know that you have one shot and you are going to make that shot count.
As you take aim, there is some doubt in your mind but when you squeeze the trigger the gun instantly recoils accompanied by a billowing cloud of white smoke.
The recoil isn't like a modern cartridge rifle which gives a hard sharp slap at your shoulder. It is more like a fast heavy shove with the muzzle rising to block out your vision of the target.
Because you have but one shot to make you will find that you take greater care in aiming and the end result is more often than not your score on the target will be higher than if you were using a cartridge gun.
Because you are in control of the components that make up the load and because each gun is different and likes one or two loads more than others finding that "best" load is another challenge that many of us enjoy pursuing.'
Then of course there is the "touch of History" with these muzzleloading guns. A touch of the past when individuals needed to know how to go beyond simply going to the store and buying some factory made thing to be successful.
I would suggest that you apply for the permit(s) you will need for the gun(s) and black powder.
Then get a gun of your choice with a percussion lock and start shooting.
Eight months seems like a long time now but rest assured it will pass faster than you think.
I kinda doubt that they would allow as much praise of percussion guns over there! :rotf:
duke:
As for "fun", shooting any muzzleloader is fun so I suggest that anyone who enjoys shooting but likes a bit of 'hands on' experience added to their shooting enjoyment should do their best to join the folks who shoot muzzleloaders.
As for Pyrodex, 777 and the other substitute black powders they were all designed to be used in Percussion guns.
As for the question, "Which is better?" the answer depends on the individual.
If dependability is a prime requirement IMO the Percussion is the winner.
Those who disagree with that statement need to ask themselves, "If the Flintlock was superior and more dependable when compared with the Percussion then why did the Percussion system replace it? Also, why were thousands of Flintlocks converted to Percussion? There must have been a reason."
That said, yes the flintlock is fun but IMO a Percussion gun can be just as fun. If dependability is required they can be said to be more fun.
Much of the enjoyment in shooting any of these guns is because YOU are the one who measures the powder. YOU are the one who lubes and positions the patch, places the ball on the muzzle, rams the ball home to its place on the powder, caps the nipple. You know that you have one shot and you are going to make that shot count.
As you take aim, there is some doubt in your mind but when you squeeze the trigger the gun instantly recoils accompanied by a billowing cloud of white smoke.
The recoil isn't like a modern cartridge rifle which gives a hard sharp slap at your shoulder. It is more like a fast heavy shove with the muzzle rising to block out your vision of the target.
Because you have but one shot to make you will find that you take greater care in aiming and the end result is more often than not your score on the target will be higher than if you were using a cartridge gun.
Because you are in control of the components that make up the load and because each gun is different and likes one or two loads more than others finding that "best" load is another challenge that many of us enjoy pursuing.'
Then of course there is the "touch of History" with these muzzleloading guns. A touch of the past when individuals needed to know how to go beyond simply going to the store and buying some factory made thing to be successful.
I would suggest that you apply for the permit(s) you will need for the gun(s) and black powder.
Then get a gun of your choice with a percussion lock and start shooting.
Eight months seems like a long time now but rest assured it will pass faster than you think.
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