Are Shippers Targeting Guns?

[BP Addict]

I just receive an email from a Gun Broker Customer. On his first purchase, the rifle showed up damaged. I've worked for companies that ship goods all over the country. My items are OVERLY packaged to ensure they arrive safely. I have been selling since around 2008. This was the first gun I've shipped that this has happened to.

This was USPS. Unlike UPS and FedEx, it's the buyer's responsibility to file the claim. This was a Parker Hale Enfield, so somewhat collectible.

I spoke with another seller who told me he is dealing with more damaged goods than normal. A couple of months back, I received a Jack Garner Rifle from him that had a cracked stock. He told me about a Kibler wooden box that was broken in two!

It almost makes me wonder whether anti-gun employees of these companies are going out of their way to make sure the contents don't arrive intact. The box is 4"x8"x48" or 52". It's not like they don't know what it is.

Walt

 

[PathfinderNC]

Katherine told me that this concern is what prompted Jim Kibler to change his mailing sticker to not say “Kibler Longrifles” but just Kibler.
I have thought of making mailing stickers or a fake Company sticker saying “Fragile- Grandfather Clock” to put on my gun crates!

 

[Rod Man]

I just receive an email from a Gun Broker Customer. On his first purchase, the rifle showed up damaged. I've worked for companies that ship goods all over the country. My items are OVERLY packaged to ensure they arrive safely. I have been selling since around 2008. This was the first gun I've shipped that this has happened to.

This was USPS. Unlike UPS and FedEx, it's the buyer's responsibility to file the claim. This was a Parker Hale Enfield, so somewhat collectible.

I spoke with another seller who told me he is dealing with more damaged goods than normal. A couple of months back, I received a Jack Garner Rifle from him that had a cracked stock. He told me about a Kibler wooden box that was broken in two!

It almost makes me wonder whether anti-gun employees of these companies are going out of their way to make sure the contents don't arrive intact. The box is 4"x8"x48" or 52". It's not like they don't know what it is.

Walt

This sounds like you are on to something @OldMaineWoodsman and I are very familiar with this situation.

RM

 

[Nor Cal Mikie]

Not sure if the "guns" are a target as much as folks working for UPS, USPS or Fed Ex really don't give a s**t. No quality in workmanship?
Me? If you don't like where you work or what you're doing, GTFO!! Not making enough $$$? Get some more smarts and get a better job.
And we wonder why there's a "Hand Basket" parked at the curb in front of our homes?

Just got a box delivered (about a month ago) 4"x 12"x 60". 1" x 4" frame lined with plastic , sprayed with expanding foam insulation with a Fowler stuffed in between. NOTHING moved and not a mark on the outside of the box.
Remark was made by the Post Master that it was the BEST packaging he had ever seen. Deliver to me (my name) and sent by the builder,(his name) and no mention of it's contents.
There are SOME FOLKS that care but few and far between.
Insure your package WELL knowing you may get your $$$ back (in time) but that's better than nothing.

 

[user 34300]

The OP's rifle looks to have been deliberately "spiked" onto the ground.

Another hobby of mine is antique radios. The chances of receiving one without damage is slim. I would not trust most people to package one properly. The heavy electronics with a fragile wood case takes special procedures.

For guns, the Kibler boxes are excellent. Large ABS or PVC pipe is good for barrels.

I sent a collector air rifle to a repair shop. I packed it properly. The repair guy did not pack it properly. It came back damaged in transit, from him. I wrote him an email, which he ignored.

 

[colimr]

UPS , FEDEX don't give a crap. Opened my door as the UPS guy tossed a 3lb box of 4f and 2f, 3ft away on to my porch he gave me that so what look . I reported him and they said he was running late. like it was normal service to throw a box marked black powder

 

[Rudyard]

Is as much they even carried powder very few carriers in NZ will handle guns at all & the post office won't touch them despite the Police saying its ok by them. The Post office workers Union heads refuse to sully their employees with such evil ? items .' Brave New World' ? P on it I say . Rudyard

 

[sheriff john]

Another consideration is the seemingly rampant theft of firearms in shipment, which has been the topic of news articles from time-to-time. Not until the package's contents are visible do thieves find out the contents are of no use to other thugs. Shipped a mouse gun unmentionable to the factory for repair clothed in aluminum foil wadded to hide the outline should the package be x-rayed. Silly, perhaps, but I trust no one except my rural postmistress.

 

[SDSmlf]

Have seen and used labels stating FRAGILE Glass Tubes, Test Instrument or similar on long gun packages. May not help, but won’t hurt.

 

[BP Addict]

Insure your package WELL knowing you may get your $$$ back (in time) but that's better than nothing.
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I always do for the full amount paid whether sending or receiving!

Walt

 

[deerstalkert]

got a Pedersoli Mortimer in a Kibler shipping crate. USPS.
stock was broken through at the wrist. tire track across the crate. so sorry charlie is all they said.

 

[OldMaineWoodsman]

Yes, this also just happened to me and another member. The box was sturdy, well packed, and marked Fragile all over it. I even added Please Do Not Drop or Throw. The box arrived beat up and the rifle had a cracked stock. A claim has been filed and I'm glad I paid extra and declared the value. Hopefully it will be resolved favorably but it is still unacceptable.

A few weeks ago, I had an unmentionable shipped to me after a restoration. It was shipped Adult Signature Required. I received an email from UPS saying it was out for delivery between 1-5 pm. At 9 am I ran up to the supermarket since it wouldn't arrive until the afternoon. When I came home around 10 it was sitting at the end of my driveway. Anyone could have walked off with it. I checked my Ring camera and sure enough, the guy stopped and just tossed it onto my driveway and drove off.

Thankfully no damage and I called and complained but they don't care. Always excuses but never a reason.

I'm almost wondering if we should just break-down the item and ship the barrel separately and then the stock in a different box? The boxes will be smaller and more discreet, and we won't have to say what it is when we ship it. We can legally just say parts rather than declaring it a muzzleloader. But then there is the risk of one of the two being lost. I don't know. The decline of this country and lack of work effort is stunning. I'm p@$$ed. The left has really done a number on this country.

And it's going to get worse.

 

[deerstalkert]

my Mortimer was broken down to parts. they still managed to break it into pieces. there is a general "my give a damn meter is broke" attitude across the entire service industry anymore.

 

[vibraphonusrex]

I remember young guys, who worked at UPS part time as loaders, laughing about how they would give packages marked “Fragile” extra kicks, drops, and throws. And that was back in the ‘90s.

 

[Fly Navy]

I have always shipped guns in one of those cheap hard cases, and I bubble wrap the hard case. Then I put it in a box. So far so good.

 

[necchi]

Are Shippers Targeting Guns?

No, because it's not just gun shipments that are getting messed up.
It's our current culture, "Pride" in work ethic has been lost.

 

[Tenring]

I bought an unmentionable Rifle a little wile back and I am pretty good friends with the Delivery Driver and before he handed me the box he said that the warehouse employees were caught on camera Deliberately opening the box and handling and playing with the item and then through it on the warehouse floor and then put back in the box half ass , he said they were fired and that’s why the item and box looks the way it does and wanted to know if I wanted to open a claim and to call the main office. Because it was marked with a firearm address and logo and they new what was in the box.How is that for a hello and here you go..

 

[Tenring]

I guess a 58 Remington Conversion Revolving Rifle is an Unmentionable. Did not want the Forum Mediators upset with me, LOL..

 

[Brianc]

20 year UPS veteran here I have no way of knowing or ANY interest in what’s in the package I’m delivering. All I care about is that my customer receives their package in good order. We always joke that some shippers would wrap a parcel in newspapers and expect them to arrive in good shape. Most damaged goods I see personally are improperly packaged. Not saying things don’t happen they certainly do but I use a wood frame put together with drywall screws and place thin plywood scrap on top and bottom to ship a flintlock wrapped in a wool “sock” wrapped in bubble wrap filled with packaging peanuts. I know it’s overkill and insanely expensive shipping but no problem either

 

[Nor'Easter]

got a Pedersoli Mortimer in a Kibler shipping crate. USPS.
stock was broken through at the wrist. tire track across the crate. so sorry charlie is all they said.

There is no way a person could "accidentally" drive over a Kibler shipping crate. So it would look intentional to me, or the driver that ran over it needs their right to drive revoked!