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I would say grain structure thru the wrist on a ash stock would be imperative... Altho it is a hard wood & durable, ash does split easy. I have cut tons upon tons of ash for firewood & it splits easy & straight thru...... You can split 2 loads of ash in the same amount of time you would split a load of oak.. I definately would want that curvature at the wrist to keep it from splitting out because of grain run out there.

Every year at Friendship I pick up a stock of beautiful curly ash, as Tip always has some really pretty ash stocks. For some reason I always talk myself out of it & come home with maple or walnut stocks. There was a really nice ash stocks rifle in the Gunmakers Hall a couple of years ago. Seems to me like it was stained with tar & kerosene & then finished hand rubbed with beeswax or something of that nature. Light colored stock but very very nice.
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Hey all

This certainly has become a very interesting thread! Thanks to everyone who has thrown their 2 cents in :thumbsup:

The blank I'm talking about is actually flat cut which from what I've read, may not be desirable.

In my mind's eye, it seems as though having the grains run vertically through the wrist would be stronger than if they were running flat.

I already knew that if ash was suitable for a stock, it would be prefectly PC!

If a gunbuilder lived in an area with lots of ash trees, why not make a stock out of ash?

Thanks and take care

Iain
 
Yes, slab sawn blanks will be stronger than quarter sawn ones. Theoretically, a quarter sawn blank will be more stable than a slab sawn one...though that is probably a dubious advantage (centerfire rifle people can be real big about this...as any warpage in a quarter sawn fore end is going to be either straight up, or straight down, rather than to the sides). Quarter sawn stock blanks are selected primarily because the grain pattern is generally considered more visually attractive. There is NOTHING wrong with a slab sawn stock blank, presuming it is good quality wood properly dried.
 
OOh! Send it to me! :grin: I have been wanting to find a nice piece of wood that size to make a replica of a Wheellock sporting gun in the Royal Armouries. Then I would just need to find a smoothbore .50 cal barrel that is 56-57" long.

But seriously, I would say go for it. I have always loved the way ash looks.

Frost
 
Hi, I have a custom rifle with a 47" Getz swamped barrel set in the nicest piece of curly ash you ever laid eyes on. You do have to be careful it will chip. Keep your tools sharp and you should'nt have a problem. Good Luck.
 
I thought I had already posted, but somehow it's just not here. I hope I didn't post it elsewhere, that'd be embarrassing... oh well...

Anyhow, all good advice already. Be careful with ash, it is what's known as ring porous wood, similar to oak, hickory, osage, etc. The relatively crumbly early wood in the grain will usually never yield a smooth surface, more of a washboard effect of sorts across the grain. Maple, birch, cherry etc. are what are known as ring diffuse, you can see the grain to one degree or another but you will rarely "feel" it. They will usually yield a very smooth surface.

Ash splits at the drop of a hat, the exception being curly ash.

Believe it or not, I have an old CVA that I built from a kit, and the stock supplied in that kit was ash! VERY blond. Hard to work, and fairly early on a chunk split off right in the area of lock plate and bolster.

I have a cherry slab that I've been wanting to make into a stock. Ditto with some hop hornbeam (a.k.a. "ironwood," scientific name ostrya virginiana, a member of the Alder family, which is part of the Birch family, not beech or elm or any other as commonly thought), it has a natural bend to it that has seasoned and stabilized with just the perfect drop and therefore no issues with the grain at the wrist. It is a beautiful creamy color with fine streaks of black, red, purple, green and deep brown running through it. Simply stunning...

Ash is second only to sugar maple around here. Lots of bitternut hickory, some walnut, red oak is scarce, white oak (and other oaks) aren't to be found, cherry is plentiful in certain (upland) areas, elm is generally plentiful, and hop hornbeam is plentiful in certain areas of certain woods. So yes, I figure that stocks would be made from whatever is on hand. If one of my stocks broke today, I'd be using whatever I have on hand, which right this minute would be a choice between cherry, ash, hickory or ironwood. Not to mention the softwoods (wouldn't use), or basswood (TOO plentiful!) or cottonwood, although some of the bigtooth aspens have become QUITE hard with seasoning. Tomorrow, the choices may be completely different. Why wait for someone to make me a "period correct" piece, when I have perfectly fine wood right at hand?

Many a book about the local railroad history has been written, and unfortunately a myth has been propogated by authors ignorant of fact. For instance, they purport that, "Hemlock is very strong and plentiful and highly resistant to decay. The proof of this is the fact that the railroads used them almost exclusively for ties." Well, they got the "plentiful" part right, but anyone that has worked with hemlock knows that it is brittle, not "strong," and it is almost devoid of any rot resistant properties. The railroads used them because they WERE plentiful locally, extremely available, and, above all, the CHEAPEST wood to be found along the local corridors! Remember, they were in business to make money, not to provide rail passengers a lovely view of ties made of wonderful hemlock. 'sides, you can't see the tracks from the train anyhow. Point being that we now, with 20-20 hindsight, attribute things as being period correct while the people of those times were just using what was LOCALLY plentiful, workable, easy to be had quickly, and, again, usually the cheapest of appropriate materials (read "FREE" if from their own woodlot!). A sad legacy of such authors as mentioned above is that many a person that has believed their drivel swears loudly privately and publicly by the same false attributes of hemlock as they, and they will and do use it for all sorts of applications in contact with (wet) ground, believing that "it'll outlast the great-great-grandkids!" Well, no, unfortunately, but the myth probably will...

Ash? Well of course use it! And anything else you'd have a mind to for that matter, as long as it's appropriate to the application. Just know your wood, the purpose you have in mind for it, and the best way(s) to work it.
 
would love to see a picture of that ironwood blank. Glad you found a piece big enough. Where in upstate NY? I am from the Mohawk Valley (Fonda) area originally, near where the Schoharie comes into the Mohawk.
 
Tim, it's obvious that you have training in wood technology or forestry, or maybe a mix of both.I concur with what both you and the Heavy Set German say :thumbsup:.

Southern railroads rebuilt and expanded after the War of the 1860's were floored with our native longleaf pine (Pinus palustris). This was also used extensively across the Great Plains. Many of the waterfront maritime structures along the Pacific West Coast were also built of longleaf. It's all gone,now,though.

Curley Ash makes a beautiful stock. My chunkgun is stocked with it. I would not hesitate to use it,especially if I had it on hand!
 
Hey, Rich - I'm a bit west of there, and to keep it in riparian terms, I'm in between where the Oriskany and the Sauquoit meet the Mohawk. :grin:

Actually, near Thruway exit 32. Maybe 6 or 7 miles southeast. Outside a little village by the name of Clinton, in Oneida County. And it was named after a former NY Governor, not the carpetbagger or her unfaithful husband.

I hope I've been of help. Wood is something that I've loved all my life, and I've been fortunate that in almost every pursuit I've undertaken there have been ample opportunities both to apply what I already knew about wood and to learn more of what I didn't know. I also love primitive blacksmithing, although I have almost no time for it anymore, but even there, wood has the pre-eminence in the cycle: I can get wood, to make the charcoal, to fuel the "forge" (as simple as the right kind of rocks), to make the tools, that cut the wood... to make the stock, or the bow, or the home, or the art, or the boat, or --- ah, imagination: Perhaps the most powerful tool at our disposal. Sad that so few today keep the rust from it, let alone try to keep it sharp.
 
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