Why?I know a guy that goes 8,000= lead rounds in a completion revolver in 38sp. without cleaning. really doesn't apply to muzzlelloaders though.
Because it destroys accuracy. Go to your local range and talk to the bullseye shooters.Why?
A most interesting theory. I wonder why it never took off?Because it destroys accuracy. Go to your local range and talk to the bullseye shooters.
My target rifles that shoot jacketed bullets will usually go 600-800 rounds before they loose accuracy and need cleaned.
Schuetzen rifles shooting lead bullets and smokeless are the same.
It has taken off. You don't know about it because you don't shoot those competitions.A most interesting theory. I wonder why it never took off?
What competitions?It has taken off. You don't know about it because you don't shoot those competitions.
Weren't you paying attention? All modern stuff, most all disciplines involving lead and/or copper jacketed bullets.What competitions?
I was. I am just unfamiliar with the 'All Modern Stuff'' discipline. Last time anyone used .38 spl lead in even semi-serious competition was right after Police in the US switched to semi-auto. Then it was mousefart-loaded full wadcutters at 10'.Weren't you paying attention? All modern stuff, most all disciplines involving lead and/or copper jacketed bullets.
Bullseye is shot with 3 different guns from 25 yards to 100 yards. All of it is shot with soft lead. .22, .38sp. And 45acp. Used to be all revolver with open sights. Now semi auto and scopes are legal. Mainly because everyone who does it is old.I was. I am just unfamiliar with the 'All Modern Stuff'' discipline. Last time anyone used .38 spl lead in even semi-serious competition was right after Police in the US switched to semi-auto. Then it was mousefart-loaded full wadcutters at 10'.
Only thing lively in .38spl for a long time's been trickshooting.
And they don't clean their guns? Is this what I am to understand?Bullseye is shot with 3 different guns from 25 yards to 100 yards. All of it is shot with soft lead. .22, .38sp. And 45acp. Used to be all revolver with open sights. Now semi auto and scopes are legal. Mainly because everyone who does it is old.
Bullseye competition is old. Pre ww2 and still has a following today.
Yes, that is correct. They don't clean until accuracy deteriorates.And they don't clean their guns? Is this what I am to understand?
I have never heard this before and I shot a lot ? I cleaned after every outing. I would fire a fouling shot before a match. The number one thing that I found about rifles that came to my shop that would no longer group well was improper cleaning. A clean rifle and the correct ammo make a huge difference in a winner and an also ran.A most interesting theory. I wonder why it never took off?
They said the same thing about the the M16 during Vietnam. Guess it works out better against paper.I have never heard this before and I shot a lot ? I cleaned after every outing. I would fire a fouling shot before a match. The number one thing that I found about rifles that came to my shop that would no longer group well was improper cleaning. A clean rifle and the correct ammo make a huge difference in a winner and an also ran.
No two things are exact. You get as close as you can. I was in the transition period when the 14 was canned for the 16. We felt it was a step back not forward. If we could have got the ***** that made the change we would have shoved that thing up his %$#@! Sorry I couldn't resist!They said the same thing about the the M16 during Vietnam. Guess it works out better against paper.
I have always believed that the cornerstone of accuracy is consistency. Consistency in EVERYTHING. From the same cheek-weld to to ambient temperature. EVERYTHING has to be exactly the same as the shot before or the shot after.
A common misconception is that modern primers and powders are non-corrosive. They are much, much less corrosive, but they are not non-corrosive.
True along with rounding off land corners. I found and use a product called Gunzilla on a very tight cloth patch that removes lead from a barrel better than any thing else I've ever tried. The patch will squeal like a neutered pig when passed though the barrel on a tight patch as it snags and removes the lead stuck to the bore.Yea, but steel on steel will also scratch the manure out of your barrel. It would be better to use some bronze wool that's softer than the barrel, but harder than lead.
I use lead bullets almost exclusively for cartridge gong rifle and revolver shooting and of course muzzle loaders, I also have a Hawkeye bore scope and nothing, not even a bronze brush, or Lewis lead remover, will take lead from a bore like Gunzilla on a tight patch.@M. De Land I'm open minded and willing to try new things. Gunzilla is on my list.
My main points in this topic has been 1. Shooting lead bullets will lead your barrel. 2. It's absolutely imperative that it be removed due to the potential for serious corrosion under the lead.
Main problem being that most shooters, me included, don't have a way to inspect for it so assume it's there and get it out!
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