Beautiful .40cal York...not gong to work

[roundball]

Well, it’s a beautiful rifle...but no matter how hard I try I just cannot make the 13+3/4" LOP fit my size.
I ordered my .58 &.62cal Virginias with 14+1/4" and they're perfect, then the lightly used .45cal Dickert I found at 14” actually worked fine too, so I hoped I could make this slightly used 13+3/4” LOP work because everything else is so appealing about it but just cannot make it fit...will have to send it back to TOW...disappointing when you've actually held something like this in your hands

 

[MikeChapin]

That's too bad but I definitely understand it. I prefer a 15" pull but do alright with a 14". My .58 has a 13 5/8" pull. I shoot it alright but I try to shoot big bore events in the morning. It is a heavy rifle and I have to change my stance for the short pull. It can be tiring to shoot after 20 or 30 rounds so I try to shoot those events while I am still fresh.

 

[rafterob]

Are you shooting it off the shoulder or tucking it on to the upper bicep.The Bicep position woill typically allow you to handle a shorte LOP. That is not really a severe curve butt plate for that hold but it may be worth a try.

 

[roundball]

I've tried it all sorts of ways but the bottom line is I go out of my way to have guns all fit and mount the same way, and after years of doing that, I don't want to be faced with bringing up one odd fitting rifle, realize the sight picture is not right and have to start figeting with it hoping the squirrel or rabbit will wait around until I'm ready :v

 

[Swampman]

I usually shoot a 13 1/2 so that it shoulders quickly when wearing winter clothing. I'm 5'10".

 

[Mike Brooks]

Picky, picky, picky. I can shoot anything with a pull from 12" to 14 1/2". Better too short than too long.

 

[J.D.]

Yeah, me too. Maybe he should wear a heavy coat when shooting this one? :idunno: :wink:

God bless

 

[rabjr]

*No Comment*

 

[roundball]

Picky, picky, picky

We know...its a shame the whole world can't be like mike brooks...just a shame
:grin:

 

[Mike Brooks]

Picky, picky, picky

We know...its a shame the whole world can't be like mike brooks...just a shame
:grin:

The world would be a happier place, that's for sure! :haha:

 

[cable]

Heck roundball you just need a historically correct slip on rubber butt cover!

 

[45flint]

send it to me, I'll suffer with that LOP

 

[hanshi]

:rotf: :rotf: :wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[Skychief]

Kind of like mail-order boots. They never fit!


Pity Roundball...... :shake:

 

[nkbj]

But what if it's a winter rifle? You might get a thick coat for Christmas.

 

[roundball]

Already tried the heavy clothes trick :wink: ...there's too many good Flintlocks available to have to compromise on something like good stock fit.

And all that talk about shooting everything under the sun with no problems is just that...we'll wait until the next thread that comes along about the importance of stock fit and track what the experts say then... :grin:

In the meantime, I'll continue to use guns with proper stock fit as close to ideal as I can find

 

[cptleo1]

LOP is probably the least important dimension as far as shoot-ability/ comfort is concerned.

13 3/4 -- 14 1/4 should make very little difference on a weapon designed for iron sights.

I am 6'3" and if I have my druthers I to like 14 1/4, but in reality, 3/4" less doesn't matter that much in the real world.

I would suggest you measure the drop at heel and comb of the two contemporary rifles you have and seem to be very fond of.

These measurements are way more important than LOP.

The Dickert/Lancaster should feel significantly different than that Virginia that Matt built you.

I would think that since most of your ML experience is centered around cookie cutter TCs, possibly you are missing out on the contemporary BP experience.

Part of gathering up guns from different schools is, they look and feel different and enjoying that difference.

If you were collecting original pieces, would you only purchase rifles with your LOP ?

I would think that a man with your discerning eye, knew full well that this weapon would not meet your standards, yet you decided to take advantage of Tracks return policy - Hmmm

Seems to me that moving from your particular field of expertise (TC) to Contemporary flintlocks is a great thing.

This move will require you to add to your knowledge base, another good thing.

You seem to want to gather this knowledge via the Internet (a bad idea) and ordering mail order brides sight unseen.

If memory serves me right, all 3 of these brides had issues.

Going to school is always cheap, regardless of how much cash you put out.

Bite the bullet,, spend the money and go up to Dixon's.

Pick up and handle/compare a hundred rifles.

Talk to/interview a couple dozen builders, take hundreds of pictures - There is absolutely no substitute for "Touchy Feelie" !

I believe that you could learn more about flintlocks, standing next to Eric K for three days than surfing the INTERNET looking at pictures for the next year.

Not wanting to rub you the wrong way but, standing next to Mike Brooks for a few days and just listen -no talking, would be a good second choice.

If you REALLY want to learn and gather up Good Quality Contemporary rifles you need to hold the rifle in your hand and look the builder eye to eye and ask and learn.

Keystrokes don't build good rifles, good tools, connected to good hands, guided by an experienced brain - builds good rifles.

Spend the money, go to Dixon U, There is nothing like it on the entire planet - Whats that worth ?

 

[Mike Brooks]

Not wanting to rub you the wrong way but, standing next to Mike Brooks for a few days and just listen -no talking, would be a good second choice.

I actually don't talk much in person, and I NEVER work when somebody else is in my shop. But, I do sing quite a bit while I work. I kinda dig Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody...."I see a little silhouetta of a man GARAMOSH GARAMOOSH WILL YOU DO THE FANDANGO"...and so begins another day..... :haha:

 

[cptleo1]

I was referring more to standing around different builders at the shows, not your shop.

When I first went to Friendship I was blown away, CUZ I could walk up to guys I read about, shake hands and talk guns and they talked back to you at your level.

I never met one of the notable builders who wasn't willing to share their knowledge.

Heck, couple years back I got the chance to chat with you - I was impressed.

One of the things I like Dixon's is you get to learn the difference between a good gun and good looking one.

I believe Eric K said that "The difference between a good gun and a great gun, was a 1/16th" here and there and to have an eye educated enough to see it".

Very astute and absolutely correct.

This is why I believe in touchy feelie, hands on education.

The Isaac Haines/Lancaster school is my favorite.

I always heard some guys are better at building certain rifles than others.

The pictures all look pretty close.

Pick up 20 different ones in an afternoon and the cream rises to the top --------- VERY QUICKLY !

You can look at dozens of pictures of a Ron Scott Jaeger and they look good.

Pick one up and feel the finish, examine the color and you will KNOW you are holding something that is several steps above the rest.

With the cost of a nice rifle easily nears $2500+, we owe it to ourselves to be an educated consumer.

There is no way an Internet education can compare to hands on.

 

[Leatherbark]

Plus if we were all like him the muzzleloading business would go under..........Because we'd all be a makin our own!

I can adjust and shoot any length of pull.I dont pay much attention to the rear sight anyway.......

To tell you the truth.............I dont know what fits and what doesn't?..........I just lift the gun and place the sight on the target.............

How do you tell what is the correct length of pull?.............Close your eyes and shoulder the weapon and then open and see?..........................Bob