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Its probably best to think of it more on the order of a an assembled kit that you will have to do the final finishing.

This. Mine looked good on the outside, but the inside was about as rusty as Osseon's. (And yes, it was rust, not dried grease. Dried grease does not require a wire brush to remove and does not leave pitting after it's gone.) When I took mine apart, I was actually a bit shocked at some of the stuff that I saw - nothing noticeably unsafe, but a carpentry nail as a trigger pin?

Yeah, a bit of final finishing is in order.
 
This. Mine looked good on the outside, but the inside was about as rusty as Osseon's. (And yes, it was rust, not dried grease. Dried grease does not require a wire brush to remove and does not leave pitting after it's gone.) When I took mine apart, I was actually a bit shocked at some of the stuff that I saw - nothing noticeably unsafe, but a carpentry nail as a trigger pin?

Yeah, a bit of final finishing is in order.

Glad/disappointed it wasn't just me. It passed inspection from the outside to whatever QA they had but once it was unlocked I saw places like the underside of the hammer that was rusty I just couldn't believe.

Wondering what kind of cleaning/storage they do. I would probably buy another from them only if it was a meme gun like the blunderbuss is for me. They have some other wacky things. If I'm looking for a serious musket I'm going somewhere else.

I mainly got this as something to let friends fire without too much effort.
 
I have bought 6 long guns and 4 pistols from MVTCo. a they seem to be the one that every buggy pukes on, and never have any came through looking like that. soooo? so much for the quality of veteran's arms!
 
Glad/disappointed it wasn't just me. It passed inspection from the outside to whatever QA they had but once it was unlocked I saw places like the underside of the hammer that was rusty I just couldn't believe.

Wondering what kind of cleaning/storage they do.

According to their FAQ:
Each piece is transferred upon order to our finishing department where the stocks are sanded / stained / finished, the hardware is polished, locks tuned, frizzens hardened, etc. Each piece is then hand assembled and inspected prior to shipment.

I find this interesting. The stock was finished (and not badly at that), so the barrel must have been dismounted at some point, meaning that the hardware store carpentry nails holding it on the stock would have been punched out and then later reinstalled. The frizzen has obviously been hardened, implying that it was removed from the lock at some point, but the inside of the lock and the sideplate screws were all rusty. The outside of the lockplate has areas of minor pitting on it, indicating that it was rusty at some point but somebody cleaned it up the outside, but not the inside.

The hardware was indeed polished, but it had happened far enough in the past that the brass was definitely tarnished...not green, but noticeably brown.

I'm not sure what to make of it, but I'd be curious to see what one of these looks like as delivered directly from India.

I would probably buy another from them only if it was a meme gun like the blunderbuss is for me. They have some other wacky things. If I'm looking for a serious musket I'm going somewhere else.

I'm in agreement with you. I wanted a brass barreled blunderbuss and my options were a drilled and warrantied Indian piece from Veteran, what appears to be exactly the same gun but undrilled and unwarrantied from Canada, or a semi-custom $1500 kit that would require a barrel once made by some guy that may or may not ever make them again and doesn't respond to emails. Veteran was the least expensive and the least of a hassle by far, so they got my business. And they'll likely get it again if I decide that I want a hand mortar, but I'll adjust my expectations of Indian quality accordingly.
 
What would you even fire out of that thing legally lol.
A tennis ball, realistically.

We're complaining about our meme guns, and you're going to criticize my interest in the ultimate meme gun? I can shoot a tennis ball out of a hand mortar. What the heck can I shoot out of a blunderbuss, besides large lead balls and lots of small lead balls?
 
I have worked on many guns from many manufactures. As far as the polish goes, it all wears off eventually or is a lot of work to upkeep. Guns look far better cleaned and a single bluing added and steel wooled and oiled. I have handled many pieces from various other suppliers and what comes off the boat is ugly to say the least.

As far as a hand mortar isn't if ironic that a rev war weapon was legal (refering to its ammo) when the 2a was written but isnt now. Not the case of "its a flintlock musket not a modern weapon" but a case of it IS a flintlock weapon and not allowed any more.
 
A tennis ball, realistically.

We're complaining about our meme guns, and you're going to criticize my interest in the ultimate meme gun? I can shoot a tennis ball out of a hand mortar. What the heck can I shoot out of a blunderbuss, besides large lead balls and lots of small lead balls?

Oh I wasn't criticizing, I'm super curious as it would be amazing to own, I just thought there is nothing I could fire since grenades are $200 + cost of grenade a shot.

A tennis ball or ball baring I guess could be fun to lob.
 
Oh I wasn't criticizing, I'm super curious as it would be amazing to own, I just thought there is nothing I could fire since grenades are $200 + cost of grenade a shot.

A tennis ball or ball baring I guess could be fun to lob.
I have this ball bearing I would be willing to send to anyone that could shoot it out of a cannon.
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Not knowing the bore size of a hand mortar, a suggestion how about a soup can full of sand and baby powder you could cut cardboard discs for the opening think a wad type of thing, also you would be able to adjust the weight of the projectile, that way when it landed you would be able to see the puff of powder.
 
Also that thing with a load of say 7 1/2 shot would be he@@ on close range tree rats, Brit may be interested in one for them U.K. rabbits if you send him a SITREP.
 
I raised it off with water and oiled the whole thing with Ballistol thoroughly no worries!
I'll double check the lock in a few days to make sure there is nothing. It seemed much better for the bath, but I'll make sure not to do it again, thanks for the advice. :)

OK so you Really DO Need to Disassemble That Lock.

Vinegar is acetic acid and water. You likely have water and acid down into the threads of the screws, and if you don't deal with it now, pardon the pun it's you that will be screwed, ;) No, a dunking in Ballistol won't get the acid/water out. The oil will not likely penetrate to where the acid/water deposited acid. IF it does.., it won't lift the acid out. Checking it in a few days will likely not show you the rusting that has been delayed but not stopped.

That rust pattern is not uncommon, but it needs to be addressed.

Go to the hardware store and get a quart of Evaporust. Disassemble the lock parts, clean them of all grease and oil, and submerge them 12-24 hours in the Evaporust solution. Remove, rinse, dry, and oil the parts, and then reassemble the lock. As you reassemble the lock you will notice it's a dull gray instead of shiny like a vintage, chromed, Chevy hotrod bumper. You can as you reassemble the lock, apply very fine emory paper and oil to any dark stained portion of the lock parts. Save the Evaporust that you used even if it looks "dirty". I own four muskets with locks made in India, and not only do I use this stuff on them but also on Pedersoli and Miroku Bess locks when I'm bringing a vintage reenactment musket back to proper looking and working condition.

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The lovely thing is the dull gray color is what some people call "gunmetal". We had a lad who did a test once, for a year of living history. Used oil, ashes, and rotten stone to polish his Bess. The barrel and the lock after a year, looked dull gray. So I think the color is correct for what the muskets would look like back in that era, when properly maintained.

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Ok, so the Rust is the least issue, personally i woudln’t get too much heart burn over the rust, its easily removed with carbide paper and some tooling oil.

However, the greater issue is .... how did this gun rust so easily ? No gunpowder oxidation or use, leaves me skeptical as to its finished state, most steel such as 4140 or 8620 steel does’t rust if its hardened and polished right.

One of the bigger issues with Indian made guns is they’re just not hardened well enough to prevent rust or damage.

Even worse, they’re highly polished soft steel almost in an annealed state, this is probably why its rusting so much.

You may need to harden up those parts, (even a mild hardening would work well to prevent rust).

FYI this is very common with Indian made arms, the lock Parts are not finished very well, you’d think they are because they look highly polished but this is often not the case.
 

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