Bought a pieta 1858 Remington. Looking for some load data and answers.

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Wy bother answering your questions when you already know everything...
And don't get me started on the subject of proof. Bc according to some people on here you can't reload an 1858 army fast. And you need a little tool and it's all janky and takes forever. Well I said that was wrong and I backed it up with certifiable proof. Btw not sure what tool is required to reload a cap and ball so if anyone knows please do elaborate. Maybe the Paterson revolver?
 
Only a fool writes off new ideas as ignorance without first atleast considering that knowledge is not restricted to age. The invention of the cartridge gun was considered stupid and the military actually turned the idea down for a long time. The inventor of the ak 47 was thought to be reinventing the wheel. Have you ever considered that it's possible for you to be wrong too?
Wrong? Of course, I always consider what I am trying and thinking. i was trained that way. Thankfully the training paid off and has seen me through some tough situations. When I landed i"in country" I was 22 yrs old, green as could be. I had stellar marks in the class room, but that was all laughable when you get boots on the ground. My father gave me good advice. (decorated WWII Pilot) He said find a two tour NCO and stick to him, do what he tells you, and you might make it back. I did just that and had a hard core field experienced Gunny as my "aide" and ran everything past him before I gave an order. Worked out fine, I learned quickly. I dod the same thing in Govt and Business. There is no replacement for experience, none!
 
Your questions have been answered along time ago. It is not about BP, it doesn't matter. It is about using lethal force. You can do whatever you want with BP. When it comes to a shooting it will not matter whether it was BP or Smokeless. You are not equal in knowledge etc because you think you are. it is an earned position, demonstrated by years of actual proficiency and work. There is no free ride because you read a book or watched U Tube. You sit and practice reloading an 1858 quickly. great, now what? Expect to get into a firefight where that will be a crucial skill? Time would be better spent learning how to avoid the situation in the first place. All of this is just ne man's experience, a man with considerable real life experience. You can take it or leave it. the choice is yours. I've paid my dues, earned my stripes etc, Seen the Elephant. I have nothing to prove and actually like it that way. I share my experience and what I have seen happen in real life. I do not expect anyone to thank me on turn somersaults. You use what you can and ignore the rest. Stay safe, Stay aware, Stay alive.
And no none of the BP questions ever actually got answered. You took an example of something out of context. I'm not shooting until I exhaust every option I have. At the very least you spend jail time and lots of money. At the worst you never walk free again. Again taking things out of context it was said you can't reload it fast. I proved that wrong. I proceeded to say that it would not happen that way under stress. But that the same can be said for moon clips or speed loaders. If I have to reload after 6 shots I put myself in a situation I shouldn't have.
 
I don't know everything never said I did. But with an answer it's reasonable to expect an explanation before I believe it. But y'all never give explanations just statements with no backing. And when I ask for an explanation it falls on deaf ears.
you are getting the explanation's, just not the one you want or in the manner you want.
 
And no none of the BP questions ever actually got answered. You took an example of something out of context. I'm not shooting until I exhaust every option I have. At the very least you spend jail time and lots of money. At the worst you never walk free again. Again taking things out of context it was said you can't reload it fast. I proved that wrong. I proceeded to say that it would not happen that way under stress. But that the same can be said for moon clips or speed loaders. If I have to reload after 6 shots I put myself in a situation I shouldn't have.
see, not so hard we agree on your last sentence. Like I said, I could care less if its BP related or not. There are many more people on this forum that are more knowledgeable in BP than I am.
 
Wrong? Of course, I always consider what I am trying and thinking. i was trained that way. Thankfully the training paid off and has seen me through some tough situations. When I landed i"in country" I was 22 yrs old, green as could be. I had stellar marks in the class room, but that was all laughable when you get boots on the ground. My father gave me good advice. (decorated WWII Pilot) He said find a two tour NCO and stick to him, do what he tells you, and you might make it back. I did just that and had a hard core field experienced Gunny as my "aide" and ran everything past him before I gave an order. Worked out fine, I learned quickly. I dod the same thing in Govt and Business. There is no replacement for experience, none!
Experience and age do not mean the same thing. I will assume dispite your age you lack experience in building rocket ships and some 20 yo has more experience. Also thank you for your service if I didn't say it already my apologies.
 
you are getting the explanation's, just not the one you want or in the manner you want.
I'm really not getting explanations. Why is a hard cast hp bad? Why is a soft HP for self defense bad. Why is a 45 acp bullet for a cal and ball bad? All I ever got to any of those was bc your 18 and I know more than you. And again back to the false statements I have already disproven.
 
If he did not actually call you a drunkard, then what you construe is on you. Only a fool takes counsel from an 18 yr old. IMHO
You certainly don't need to use the actual word to convey that meaning, as I'm sure you are aware. I do think that muzzleloadingat18 has a lot to learn life - wise, and I think your approach is far better than someone simply saying 'shut up until you can shave' or 'I'm glad you're not my neighbour' or anything like that. But I also think people are misinterpreting keen-ness and enthusiasm here.
 
Experience and age do not mean the same thing. I will assume dispite your age you lack experience in building rocket ships and some 20 yo has more experience. Also thank you for your service if I didn't say it already my apologies.
It is very hard to get one without the other. There are exceptions,but they are usually based on the situation,which is often times not pleasant. ie. Many 12 yr old vietnamese kids could strip an Ak, build a grenade trap, pit fall, punji load, knew the jungle trails, what villages were safe, tunnel complex etc. The had real credible "experience" at an early age. They grew up in it and lived in everyday 24/7. That is what I mean about "situational" experience. You can take that and extrapolate to Croatia, Serbia, ME etc. War does that to people.
 
You certainly don't need to use the actual word to convey that meaning, as I'm sure you are aware. I do think that muzzleloadingat18 has a lot to learn life - wise, and I think your approach is far better than someone simply saying 'shut up until you can shave' or 'I'm glad you're not my neighbour' or anything like that. But I also think people are misinterpreting keen-ness and enthusiasm here.
As a young Intel Officer in Nam I saw enthusiasm get people killed when brains and experience would have saved them. IMHO
 
You certainly don't need to use the actual word to convey that meaning, as I'm sure you are aware. I do think that muzzleloadingat18 has a lot to learn life - wise, and I think your approach is far better than someone simply saying 'shut up until you can shave' or 'I'm glad you're not my neighbour' or anything like that. But I also think people are misinterpreting keen-ness and enthusiasm here.
I do have a lot to learn on life I will admit to that 100% I'm still a fiery teen that is slow to change and I recognize that. But I also like hard facts proof and data. Opinions won't change me or what I think. I can also grow in admitting when to just leave it alone.
 
I do have a lot to learn on life I will admit to that 100% I'm still a fiery teen that is slow to change and I recognize that. But I also like hard facts proof and data. Opinions won't change me or what I think. I can also grow in admitting when to just leave it alone.
that is a start
 
Another question to add to this conversation what is the best size for a conical. I want easy loading but not risk of chain fire or problem with the bullet walking forward under recoil. And of course accuracy.
Apparently not much research has been done on your questions. Perhaps you could do some (and enjoy the whiffs of the BP smoke while you do so) and give us a report.
Use ballistic gel, or the old standby water-filled milk jugs. Find out the difference between hard and soft lead hollow points.
I've always had the impression that, until you get to sonic velocities, soft is better than hard. Can you find out? If you haven't a chrono, I'll be glad to lend you mine. I do know that softer lead engages the rifling better; the lack of rifling marks on recovered lead projectiles has shown me that.
As a scientist, I learned long ago that inquisitiveness and research have answered a lot of questions.
Good luck to ya!
 
It is very hard to get one without the other. There are exceptions,but they are usually based on the situation,which is often times not pleasant. ie. Many 12 yr old vietnamese kids could strip an Ak, build a grenade trap, pit fall, punji load, knew the jungle trails, what villages were safe, tunnel complex etc. The had real credible "experience" at an early age. They grew up in it and lived in everyday 24/7. That is what I mean about "situational" experience. You can take that and extrapolate to Croatia, Serbia, ME etc. War does that to people.
I agree that with age comes experience but with experience age dose not always come as you said. That being said this isn't war and my experience comes from an obsession of a hobby that I have been into for a long time. I can tell you for a fact that a hawkens .50 cal can kill a deer with 60gn of powder. I can say for a fact that an 1858 Remington pieta can fit 60gn of pyrodex. I can say for a fact that a 45 caliber hole is plenty for self defense. I can say for a fact that at 10 feet I'm not going to be aiming. I can say for a fact that an 1858 can be reloaded fast and without any tools. I don't know everything but i know some stuff.
 
Apparently not much research has been done on your questions. Perhaps you could do some (and enjoy the whiffs of the BP smoke while you do so) and give us a report.
Use ballistic gel, or the old standby water-filled milk jugs. Find out the difference between hard and soft lead hollow points.
I've always had the impression that, until you get to sonic velocities, soft is better than hard. Can you find out? If you haven't a chrono, I'll be glad to lend you mine. I do know that softer lead engages the rifling better; the lack of rifling marks on recovered lead projectiles has shown me that.
As a scientist, I learned long ago that inquisitiveness and research have answered a lot of questions.
Good luck to ya!
I was thinking hard cast just for penetration I'm certain it wouldn't expand until about 1325 "magic number" I feel water is a poor test for bullets just because I have tested shooting soft dirt water and deer. In the dirt and deer I got little to no expansion abd in water i got full pancakes. My running theory is that the water acts like a solid along with hydraulics forces just about anything to expand. Though water might be a valid comparative test.
 
I agree that with age comes experience but with experience age dose not always come as you said. That being said this isn't war and my experience comes from an obsession of a hobby that I have been into for a long time. I can tell you for a fact that a hawkens .50 cal can kill a deer with 60gn of powder. I can say for a fact that an 1858 Remington pieta can fit 60gn of pyrodex. I can say for a fact that a 45 caliber hole is plenty for self defense. I can say for a fact that at 10 feet I'm not going to be aiming. I can say for a fact that an 1858 can be reloaded fast and without any tools. I don't know everything but i know some stuff.
So, one thing i will give you is your ability to change cylinders on the 1858 is impressive, though I think if you slowed just a bit it would be smoother and more positive. But, you do well with it. I could not change one that fast if I had too!. Therefore, do you have any tips on how you do it. I have tried changing cylinders on the two i own and while the cylinder comes out easy enough, going back in it seems to hang up on the pawl or bolt lock a bit and is never straight so the cylinder pin does not go back in easily,and I have to fumble around with it. etc. I am not concerned with speed for defensive work etc, i would just like the overall process to be smoother and cleaner. This is one thing that you actually do have real life experience with and therefore it is valid, IMHO
 
I was thinking hard cast just for penetration I'm certain it wouldn't expand until about 1325 "magic number" I feel water is a poor test for bullets just because I have tested shooting soft dirt water and deer. In the dirt and deer I got little to no expansion abd in water i got full pancakes. My running theory is that the water acts like a solid along with hydraulics forces just about anything to expand. Though water might be a valid comparative test.
To reiterate 1325 is the magic number for 5050 wheel weight and pure lead.
 
So, one thing i will give you is you ability to change cylinders on the 1858 is impressive, though I think if you slowed just a bit it would be smoother and more positive. But, you do well with it. I could not change one that fast if I had too!. Therefore, do you have any tips on how you do it. I have tried changing cylinders on the two i own and while the cylinder comes out easy enough, going back in it seems to hang up on te pawl ro bolt bock a bit and is never straight so the cylinder pin does not go back in easily etc. This is one thing that you actually do have real life experience with and therefore it is valid, IMHO
The key hilariously is to not listen to people and the "right way" everyone using half cock is wrong in my opinion. I pull the pin and point the gun down to make sure the loading lever stays down. Then I pull the hammer back until the cylinder falls out. About a 1/4 in the hand and locking lug disengage at the same time and the cylinder can fall right out. Same thing for going back in. No rotating necessary. You can take it out and look at when everything is disengaged. To put the pin back in center I cup it with my left hand and center it my best and push down on the pin I then go by feel and line it up until it slips in. I'll do videos if that helps.
 
The key hilariously is to not listen to people and the "right way" everyone using half cock is wrong in my opinion. I pull the pin and point the gun down to make sure the loading lever stays down. Then I pull the hammer back until the cylinder falls out. About a 1/4 in the hand and locking lug disengage at the same time and the cylinder can fall right out. Same thing for going back in. No rotating necessary. You can take it out and look at when everything is disengaged. To put the pin back in center I cup it with my left hand and center it my best and push down on the pin I then go by feel and line it up until it slips in. I'll do videos if that helps.
And I couldn't do it that fast if my life depended on it either. I can do it that fast 99% of the time but under stress there is no way. I wouldn't even wast my time trying. Now if I continued to practice for years maybe but still.
 

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