It is very hard to get one without the other. There are exceptions,but they are usually based on the situation,which is often times not pleasant. ie. Many 12 yr old vietnamese kids could strip an Ak, build a grenade trap, pit fall, punji load, knew the jungle trails, what villages were safe, tunnel complex etc. The had real credible "experience" at an early age. They grew up in it and lived in everyday 24/7. That is what I mean about "situational" experience. You can take that and extrapolate to Croatia, Serbia, ME etc. War does that to people.