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I doubt I would need to hide if everyone else was armed with a BP revolver.

On the question of frame stretching, I tend to doubt that is the problem. It would take a lot more than a couple of hundred rounds of moderate to low power loads to do that, assuming the revolver is properly constructed in the first place. If this was a Colt I would say to push the barrel wedge in a bit more but it isn't so I will defer to the Remington guys on this question.
 
MacRob46 said:
I doubt I would need to hide if everyone else was armed with a BP revolver.
On the question of frame stretching, I tend to doubt that is the problem. It would take a lot more than a couple of hundred rounds of moderate to low power loads to do that, assuming the revolver is properly constructed in the first place. If this was a Colt I would say to push the barrel wedge in a bit more but it isn't so I will defer to the Remington guys on this question.
It only takes one round ball to completely ruin your day...
 
I agree with cynthia on this. Besides, modern weapons got no style or flair. If your gona do somthing do it with style
 
Hey guys, I'm sure I will get many of you rattled, but it is not my intent to insult.
However, encouraging some adolescent to walk about with a loaded pistol shoved in his pants is not good policy.
It takes a lot of responsibility and knowledge to carry a firearm for personal defense.
Stretched frame or shooting dogs should raise a lot of concern.
I hope for his own sake that some well meaning cop takes this lethal weapon for this kid.
So that he won't spend the next twenty five years in prison for shooting someone who gets in his face.
Think what your encouraging.
Now I'll get off my soap box.
Old Ford
 
Creek, I know you do machine work. Here's my thought on the matter. First, with a feeler gauge, check your gap between the barrel and the cylinder.

Having done that, and finding it unacceptable. Then you may want to remove the barrel from the frame. Chuck the barrel in your lathe, muzzle first. On the threaded end, take a bit off the shoulder, about one thread width should do it. Be sure to go to the depth of the threads. re-install the barrel. Also, you will want to add a spacer between the cylinder and the frame on the cylinder pin.

Most would say get a new piece. But, others, with access to a lathe, who have more time than money will probably agree with this approach.

Another possibility here, other than stretch, is wear, spinning the cylinder with little to no lubrication can cause this to happen. Steel rubbing on brass.

Just my thoughts on the problem.
 
Ford, all the youngster has talked about is defense against dog attacks.

Years ago, when I was a youngster, 15, I lived in a very rural area of Southeast Louisiana. We were lucky to see a police cruiser, maybe, come once a month. Though there was that time there was near 50 State Troopers that showed up when there was a Klan rally on the back road.

We had a problem of people from the city of New Orleans, who would drive out to that area and toss out their unwanted pets. We had twenty some odd barn cats at one time. Before long, a pack of feral dogs became a serious problem. We called the ASPCA, the Orleans Parish animal control and the NOPD. All responded that where we lived was outside their jurisdiction. People were waking up to find their family pets dead and ripped apart on their door steps. This escalated to cattle attacks. We had a young heifer, that had a football size wound, the flesh ripped out of her neck. Then when two children were chased from their bus stop to their home, enough was enough.

The locals paired up and went looking for these dogs turned predators. The young man, I was with, had an old H&R .410 shotgun. While, I had a ASM Third Model Colt type Dragoon. I had loaded it with 40 grains of Goex FFFG, topped by a plastic button, Ultra Hi Spit Ball Lube and a round ball. I bought this gun from SWC, for a whopping $25.00, who had an ad in the Shotgun News. Money I earned, my Mom ordered it for me.

We ran into the main pack. My companion had a bird shot shell in his gun. He threw down on the pack leader, a huge black great dane, at about 100 feet away. The dog just shook his head, like he was shaking off gnats. Many of the other dogs lit out. But, the dane was coming for us. At about 50 feet, I hauled up my hog leg and let loose. The dog rolled tail over head twice and laid still. At twenty feet, I let fly a second ball into his head. Upon examination, my first ball caught him in the chest and exited between his tail and his anus at about eleven o'clock.

I've seen first hand what a Pitt Bull can do, without provocation. I am not a fan of the breed. Nor do I go "here doggie, doggie" to any stray, no mater breed or size.

And lastly, kids his age are being handed rifles, by our military, every day and shipped overseas to get in peoples' faces. I hunted, alone, at age 9 to put meat on the table. I like to think that we are encouraging self reliance and responsibility. So, I have to say, I agree that we disagree.
 
"...encouraging some adolescent to walk about with a loaded pistol shoved in his pants is not good policy.
It takes a lot of responsibility and knowledge to carry a firearm for personal defense.

So that he won't spend the next twenty five years in prison for shooting someone who gets in his face.
Think what your encouraging."

Precisely! I believe in doing what is necessary to defend yourself, but still feel that pepper spray is likely the best first line of defense in this situation.

And think of how this neighbor will react to you having shot his dog. You may end up in a situation where it gets used again, right or wrong.

Make sure you understand the laws well. The district attorney does, and his job is to put you behind bars and strip you of your rights for as long as he possibly can whether or not you are justified or not, even if he has to twist things or distort the truth.

Please consider all of your options, and maybe call an attorney and ask his opinion. It would be terrible if you were locked up for 25 years.
 
Claypipe, i'm with you on this one ... we had a fellow move into the neighborhood and within a few days, it was determined that his beagle was chasing deer and trying to run my livestock.

my guard dog (who lives in the barn and takes her job very seriously) ran this cur off, but there was a great deal of barking at all hours of the night and day ...

long story short, the game warden came up my driveway and asked to see my dog ... normally I would have told him to come back with a warrant, but he told me that there was a report of a dog running deer, and he was checking it out, so I assured him that my dog stayed in the fence, and he could see her if he wanted, so we went down, he looked at the alpacas, said he thought they were goofy, but kinda cute, and he assured me that this wasn't the dog he was after ... so I asked him about the beagle, and he flat told me that if I had a clear shot I should take it, if I thought that the dog was threatening me, my family or my property ... I thanked him, and asked if he wanted me to let him know if it happened, and he looked at me and said, "Three S."

"Huh?"

"Shoot, shove, shut up."

now of course you can't do that with people, but there's just no reason that a fellow can't walk down the street and have to fear being mauled by a dog.

nobody could convince this guy that the leash law was county wide- and that just because this is a rural area, you can let your dog run loose ... he thought that because he had a PhD and was a card carrying socialist, he was smarter and better than the rest of us, and he could pretty much do whatever he wanted ... his visa expired and he went back to Italy, and I never did get a clear shot at the dog, although I did start carrying my Ruger Old Army when I cut firewood ...

OK- just one guy's free opinion, and no doubt well worth the price...
 
I have not done it yet but have theorized a steel bushing could be sweated into the brass frame under the ratchet and filed flush with the back of the frame along with barrel set back for a permanent fix.
I don't think the brass frame is really stretching but rather is being battered under the steel ratchet of the cylinder. Mike D.
 
Maybe step one should be to talk to the owner.

By all means take care of your hide, but also make sure you clearly understand the laws.
 
Living in town does have it's challenges. On the farm in Idaho livestock chasing dogs didn't live long. They're considered as bad or worse than coyotes.
 
My Buddy dog thinks chasing cows and deer is fun stuff. No amount of abuse or reward has broken him of it. So for his idiocy he lives on a chain when outside and never gets to run free.
Now he only wants to sniff them and see what's up, but the critters he wants to chase don't know he is not a real threat. Neither would any farmers who might catch him being a dumb ass. So for his safety he lives the life of a chained pooch.
 
First off, If he is within his rights to carry the pistol no police officer is "just" going to "take it from him", and second what if he needs it to protect himself or others from some robber, nutcase or feral dogs?
 
so my 1858 has less than 100 rds through it and the brass is already stretched out have always used lighter loads but last time I shot it after cleaning I noticed the cylinder has a considerable amount of play so it looks like I wont be carrying it anymore

Sure did wander a long direction from the OP, did it not????

Huh??? What is going to fix his pistol?
 
I bought a brass framed (used) .36 in 1976 or so while in the service. You cannot hit the paper on a 25 yard pistol target at 15 yards.

Cannot see paying money to fix a $25 pistol, it was a learning experience along the way with several other purchases in the BP world at the time and being poor they were tough lessons.
 
Richard Eames said:
Sure did wander a long direction from the OP, did it not????

Huh??? What is going to fix his pistol?

Your right, it kinda did.
But what most of us think is that the brass didn't "stretch" as Ethan thinks it did.
It's just gone from new an tight, too broke in, as most used revolvers end up.

Yes it's brass and No it's not a blueprinted custom revolver, it's just been used a bit and is functioning like it should.
There isn't a problem to fix.

Sorry, but replica 1858 revolvers are supposed to work like a 1858 revolver tolerances where made to work.
If a person wants 21st century Beretta tolerances then one should buy a 21st century Beretta, :idunno:

With brass replicas that aren't new, you make due.
That's kinda what draws many of us to replica/traditional guns,, you get to tweek'm to what they need to work and the way you want'm to work.

So the cylinder moves fore an aft on the pin, :idunno:
If the cylinder times to the forcing cone, and the "projectile" leaves the cylinder into the barrel when the hammer sets off the cap and the cap fires the charge,,
Whats the problem?
 
I'll take it off your hands Richard for $25.00s and the postage to send it just to see if I can work it over and make it shoot.
I like these basket cases just to see what can be! Mike D.
 
Of course I know your $25 offer was a joke because serious offers to buy in a post are against the forum rules. :)

It is an interesting challenge to get some of these replicas working like they should.
I never have been able to get my cheap "Classic Arms" Pepperbox to fire.

Getting back to the topic, I agree with you necchi.

If the cylinder rotates and locks up correctly the gun is usable.

If it fails to lock up correctly or if it starts having chain fires like another members brass frame Colt did because of the excessive battering the cylinder had done to the recoil shield, then the gun shouldn't be used.
 
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