CLOSED Brown Bess Short Land #1 - 90% Kit For Sale

[ColonialRifleSmith]

Loyalist Dave is correct. I'm stunned I didn't catch it. These are 3rd model/India Pattern BB's. If I would have seen the side plate, I would have been faster to make the comparison. I must be getting old. Semper Fi.

Shortland BB.

 

[t.emard]

Thank you, I'll start correcting the ads. Do you have a comparison photo for me to understand how you determined the difference?

 

[ColonialRifleSmith]

Thank you, I'll start correcting the ads. Do you have a comparison photo for me to understand how you determined the difference?

4 pipes on the 2nd model instead of 3, different side plate. 38" or 39" barrel on the 3rd model instead of 42" barrel, and a Wilson or Grice Lock on the 2nd model instead of a Tower Lock. The Wilson and Grice lock will be dated. The Tower Lock on the 3rd model will not be. Semper Fi.

 

[sportster73hp]

I do like the wood grain. Reminds me a little of ash wood

 

[springfield art]

For sale is a Brown Bess Short Land kit. Slightly shorter and lighter than the original Bess, these were received well by troops throughout the Empire. The .75 caliber barrel will put the hurt on anyone and anything. Accurate on man-sized targets out to 100 yards, beyond that, you're guessing. Preferred especially by the light infantry troops who had to contend with open order skirmishes rather than stand-up, knock-down brawls in close order. A fantastic weapon that influenced the course of history on four continents. Doesn't get much cooler than that. Also doubles as a nifty display above the mantle!


$580, free shipping.


The kit requires a bit of work, comes from Rajasthan Armory. Same manufacturer as Veteran Arms. I do want to note that people like Military Heritage use AHU which produces cheaper Indian muskets, hence the price difference. Rajasthan is more expensive, higher quality. You won't find Rajasthans for sale at less than $750, without shipping.

Required Work:
-Drill the 1/16" touch hole.

Recommended Work:
-Stain the stock to a walnut color.
-Clean off the "travel grease" used to protect it on its long sea voyage across the Pacific.
-Take the lock apart and polish up the moving parts. It'll operate in its kit form, but buddy, this 1 hour of work makes a world of difference.
-Go get a bayonet, a cartridge box and some flint!


I know my old ads were more descriptive, but after I got three pulled, I got tired of typing it out again. Happy to answer any questions you all have. No FFL required obviously, so it ships right to your door. I've built about 20 of these kits over the years, and they're fantastic ways to get into shooting military-grade muzzleloaders, without spending $1,700 on a Pedersoli. Heck, you could get three of these for that price!

Thanks for that tidbit of info!

 

[springfield art]

I do like the wood grain. Reminds me a little of ash wood

It's some kind of India wood; I just saw a Baker rifle (India mfg.) with that same grain.

 

[t.emard]

It's some kind of India wood; I just saw a Baker rifle (India mfg.) with that same grain.

It's teak. All Indian reproductions come with teak since it's local, tough and cheap. When you see firearms like those at Veteran Arms, all they did was stain the teak to look like walnut.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Thank you, I'll start correcting the ads. Do you have a comparison photo for me to understand how you determined the difference?

The easiest indication is the sideplate, for most copies...

LD

 

[FlinterNick]

4 pipes on the 2nd model instead of 3, different side plate. 38" or 39" barrel on the 3rd model instead of 42" barrel, and a Wilson or Grice Lock on the 2nd model instead of a Tower Lock. The Wilson and Grice lock will be dated. The Tower Lock on the 3rd model will not be. Semper Fi.

Second model brown Bess muskets are marked tower or Dublin castle , they’re not marked by the lock makers. The practice of marking locks with the makers names stopped in 1755

 

[FlinterNick]

For sale is a Brown Bess 3rd Model, India Pattern musket. Please note the title is incorrect, these are India Patterns.


$580, free shipping.


The kit requires a bit of work, comes from Rajasthan Armory. Same manufacturer as Veteran Arms. I do want to note that people like Military Heritage use AHU which produces cheaper Indian muskets, hence the price difference. Rajasthan is more expensive, higher quality. You won't find Rajasthans for sale at less than $750, without shipping.

Required Work:
-Drill the 1/16" touch hole.

Recommended Work:
-Stain the stock to a walnut color.
-Clean off the "travel grease" used to protect it on its long sea voyage across the Pacific.
-Take the lock apart and polish up the moving parts. It'll operate in its kit form, but buddy, this 1 hour of work makes a world of difference.
-Go get a bayonet, a cartridge box and some flint!


I know my old ads were more descriptive, but after I got three pulled, I got tired of typing it out again. Happy to answer any questions you all have. No FFL required obviously, so it ships right to your door. I've built about 20 of these kits over the years, and they're fantastic ways to get into shooting military-grade muzzleloaders, without spending $1,700 on a Pedersoli. Heck, you could get three of these for that price!

There’s a critical crack in the forearm which is very close to the breech, not good

 

[Darto]

At 7:21 begins the drill...

 

[acavdragoon]

There’s a critical crack in the forearm which is very close to the breech, not good

I already brought that up, the OP stated it was a scratch that could be sanded out.

 

[FlinterNick]

I already brought that up, the OP stated it was a scratch that could be sanded out.

Na… that’s a crack, very common with teak

 

[t.emard]

Na… that’s a crack, very common with teak

So it looked like a score, pretty shallow, running about 7 inches along. Handling it again and looking a lot more closely with a very bright light... that is a crack, filled with something to conceal it. Nearer to the brass plate, it gets a lot deeper that last half inch and is clearly cracked. I'm no woodworker, but that tells me it's not so shallow as it was at first glance, so it has to be filled with something along most of its length to conceal the damage. I'm pulling this one off the forum, until I have time to take it apart and see how bad it is. I'll probably put it up at a steep discount, but for now, I'm not selling this one.