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Building a Kentucky Rifle Kit. HELP!

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I recently got a Traditions Kentucky Rifle Kit. (It's the percussion model)

Seems like a great rifle and I'm looking forward to completing it, but the directions in the kit are awful. :idunno:

If anyone has built this kit and understands how the tenon pin assembly (around step 6 in the Traditions instruction manua)l and could guide me through it, I am completely lost and would be extremely grateful.

Thank you!
 
Welcome to the forum! Pictures would be very helpful in solving your problem. You're definitely in the right place, lots of good folks here to help out. :hatsoff:
 
Don't go by their directions. I'm currently building their Shenandoah kit that will be a dedicated squirrel rifle. The traditions kits are more of a pain than any other kit I've worked with... It certainly will yield a great rifle, just SO much more work with parts fitment and fixing factory goofs. IMO, and it's proven invaluable is a good reference such as Recreating the American Longrifle. Again, throw those directions on the fire, be patient and hold off on the build, purchase a good reference and have at it! :thumbsup:
 
The instructions that come with most kits are simply not well thought out and usually do not go into enough detail for a beginner. You need a couple of books, or at least one of these books to better understand how and what you need to do and in what order. Before starting that kit, I highly recommend one or both of the following books:
http://www.amazon.com/Recreating-American-Longrifle-William-Buchele/dp/0873871073
http://www.amazon.com/The-Gunsmith-Grenville-County-Longrifle/dp/1880655136
 
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read this and make sure to measure several times before you try and drill. its best to fit the barrel to the stock and forearm first. get the nose cap fitted and make sure everything is fitted tight. after you get the barrel fitted to stock and forearm and it looks good remove barrel from forearm and with a pencil and frame square mark a straight line across the top of the barrel center of the slots, also draw the lines down the side of the barrel making sure it centers the slot. measure with your square the distance from the top of barrel to center of the little plate. put the barrel back on and draw the line down the side of the forearm. then lay the square across the barrel and measure down to where the center will be and drill through the forearm on one side and let the bit touch the plate and mark it. take barrel back off and make sure you hit center . make sure to hold drill level. measure a bunch of times till you know your drill bit is going to hit center of the pin plate. before you try and put the pin through make sure the pin will slide through the hole easily. drill both holes from one side all the way through put a tiny bit of oil on the pins before you tap them through. after you get it all put together like you want it then take it back apart and finish bluing or browning barrel and staining stock and forearm.
 
Thank you all for your feedback.

I have the basics of the rifle put together. It just comes down to two sets of pieces that I'm not sure of. The first is is the the "Barrel Tennon Pin" (Part W on the parts list or reference no. 20218)

The second is the Barrel Tennons (Part P on the parts list and reference no. 20233)

(I have photos of both pieces, what's the best way to upload those?)

It's stating that I need to drill certain precise holes in the stock and I don't want to do that until I'm 100% sure of what I'm doing. As stated before the directions are garbage, and don't really give me a good idea on how to insert these pieces.

Thanks again for all the insight and feedback.

Thanks
 
When you say "little plate" do you mean the tenons (part P or 20233)?

Is there a hole drilled through those tenons that the pins are lead through?
 
As said being studied on how a longrifle is assembled is a big plus. Another less expensive, but good book is Dixon's.
Link

The classic CVA Kentucky type like yours has some quirks to overcome. These quirks may actually be more complex than say a more authentic parts set. Also the instructions are vague on purpose, it requires some problem solving and as said, prior knowledge on how these guns go together helps tremendously.
Simply put, even a pro can't throw one of these together without thought and care.

I've never built one of these but I have owned and rebuilt one.

First and foremost the breech and tang of the barrel as does the nose cap, has to be fit and set correctly to the stock before the tenons. This is where the two piece stock can complicate it some.

It's my opinion that the two piece stock will have to be assembled correctly to fit the breech and the nose cap. If I'm not mistaken the breech and the nosecap are the points that are "known" on this design. In Other words these two points, The tang screw and the two nose cap screws hold the front and the rear of the barrel to the stock.

The tenons and lug location is "unknown" so these will need to be fit after the nose and tang.

These have to be done correctly.

Here we get into the "quirks" of this design, you need to test fit to make sure everything will line up for later assembly. Once everything is aligned without the barrel tenons or lugs then you can install the tenon or lugs. You may need to screw down the tang and screw down the cap to confirm fit. You may need to work on the barrel channel as well as the nose cap and tang inlets. It should be tight but not to tight as to distort the wood when you install the barrel.

The building books mention in letting black, lipstick or even wet magic marker ink to confirm fit. You have know what it's telling you...that just too much for this post.

You are satisfied in how the barrel sits in the barrel channel of the stock and the fore and aft mounting points are correct, now you fit the lugs.

You drive the lug into the bottom of the barrel, just like you do your sights...on the top. You need a file, punch, light hammer and a drift preferably brass to do this. Go slow in fitting the lugs, these will be practice for the sights. If you file too much away making the lug loose, you should be able to lightly tighten up the dovetail with a hammer. The thing is to try and fit try and fit and not loosen the dove tail too much. Rule of thumb....modify the cheapest part to fit that being the lug or tenon and not the barrel dovetail...but it may need de burring just to clean it up. It should be pretty close.

One you have a lug in the bottom of the barrel, fit it to your stock. These stocks already have hole for it but still the fit may not be correct, if it's off recheck to make sure everything is right, then work on the hole for the lug. When fit do the same for the next lug.

With barrel fit in the stock and the lugs fit correctly, now you can mark for your pins.

Measure and find the bottom of the barrel and mark that on the side of the stock. Mark the length of the lug also on the side of the stock.
By careful measuring and marking on the side of the stock, you are determining where to drill for the pins. You may decide to align both the front and rear pin holes with each other, if so measure both and use a straight edge and tweak the marks where both align on the same plane. Once you have that all figured out, mark a cross and this will be your pin hole.

A drill press is nice but you can drill this with a hand drill if you are very careful.

Some will drill the holes on the marks without the barrel in the channel. After the holes are drilled, they replace the barrel and drill through the lugs.
Some will drill with a small bit then use a larger one in case of a mistake.
Some will drill from both sides meeting in the middle.
I for one would rather drill from one side. You need to keep the drill as straight as you can, you may need to practice on scrap first.

good luck
 
These quirks may actually be more complex than say a more authentic parts set.

This is a fact! My .36 build has me jumping all over trying to fit or fix part A before moving to section B. I've been following my Recreating the American Longrifle reference in the best way possible. For the price, it's going to be a great little hunting rifle, but certainly no were near the quality of my Golden age kit. Good advice might I add, I'll be fitting and drilling mine today so it's good to read over your post! :hatsoff:
 
Billnpatti's advice is spot on. You'll drop what seems an exorbitant amount on these books, but you'll save a bunch more in parts you don't ruin, so the purchase is more than cost- efficient.

I think you can rent some pretty good DVDs, and there's some fairly informative material on u- tube.

since you're getting out your checkbook (and, yes, this is way off topic) you might want to consider Dutch Schoultz' method - if you follow his steps, your groups will shrink: he guarantees it. Here's a link:

http://www.blackpowderrifleaccuracy.com/

good luck with your build!
 
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Mdetch. Im doing the same build as you. As far as I could tell from where I fit things together, there is no drilling required. It all really just assembles...unless i'm assembling it incorrectly.

I'm stuck on parts H and E I believe, those pieces which go inside the wood inside the lock.
 
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