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Cabelas Kentucky Flintlock Rifle
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Yes they do have the patent breach.
Also my vote would be with the Blue Ridge ! They shoot damn good - off a bench my 50 flinter will shoot better groups than my T/C encore 209x50 off the bench and thats no chit...
Don't know about the other one you mention BUT if it is made by Pedersoli I guess that you would like it since they all seen to shoot pretty good from them.
Also my vote would be with the Blue Ridge ! They shoot damn good - off a bench my 50 flinter will shoot better groups than my T/C encore 209x50 off the bench and thats no chit...
Don't know about the other one you mention BUT if it is made by Pedersoli I guess that you would like it since they all seen to shoot pretty good from them.
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I have several Pedersolis and have been generally pleased with their performance.
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Pedersoli: Percussion yes.
Flint: never, ever again. Nearly made me quit ML, because it was so unreliable.Usually fired the first shot, but then maybe every third, forth or sometimes never.. A few years later I gave it another shot with ML, reading more about the technology and ordered a custom rifle built from quality parts. Fires every time, unless you dump a bucket of water in the pan!!!
These production guns do not have the correct flint breech (which is a total joke, because it is as easy to install as the patent breech they have and the lock is a flint eater.
If you want a good ML percussion gun, get a Traditions "second" assembly hawken kit for $229.
If you want a good flint gun, stay away from production guns,period.
Think about getting a gun in the white by Tip Curtis and finish it yourself. You'll be glad you did.
Take a look how I converted the Pedersoli piece of junk into a functional flint gun. The lock will be replaced next. I just have to fit the lockplate. In the following picture you'll see that this in not a correct breech and thus not reliable for flint ignition. After a flint breech was installed the gun is very reliable and shoots real good every time, unless th lock doesn't spark becasue he flint broke off.
This is what you would buy in the barrel department: http://pedersolilancaster.rsengineering.de/#0.14 http://pedersolilancaster.rsengineering.de/#0.15
Go figure. If you already spent your money, then congratulations on buying a $200 piece of Sh.., because this is probably the production price....
Figure also, why reputable manufacturers offer exchange locks etc. for cheaply put together production guns.
Flint: never, ever again. Nearly made me quit ML, because it was so unreliable.Usually fired the first shot, but then maybe every third, forth or sometimes never.. A few years later I gave it another shot with ML, reading more about the technology and ordered a custom rifle built from quality parts. Fires every time, unless you dump a bucket of water in the pan!!!
These production guns do not have the correct flint breech (which is a total joke, because it is as easy to install as the patent breech they have and the lock is a flint eater.
If you want a good ML percussion gun, get a Traditions "second" assembly hawken kit for $229.
If you want a good flint gun, stay away from production guns,period.
Think about getting a gun in the white by Tip Curtis and finish it yourself. You'll be glad you did.
Take a look how I converted the Pedersoli piece of junk into a functional flint gun. The lock will be replaced next. I just have to fit the lockplate. In the following picture you'll see that this in not a correct breech and thus not reliable for flint ignition. After a flint breech was installed the gun is very reliable and shoots real good every time, unless th lock doesn't spark becasue he flint broke off.
This is what you would buy in the barrel department: http://pedersolilancaster.rsengineering.de/#0.14 http://pedersolilancaster.rsengineering.de/#0.15
Go figure. If you already spent your money, then congratulations on buying a $200 piece of Sh.., because this is probably the production price....
Figure also, why reputable manufacturers offer exchange locks etc. for cheaply put together production guns.
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This Pedersoli gun was bought by me when I was 18 years old and it cost me a lot of hard earned money even back then.
When it was clean, it fired, but the slightest amount of dirt made it unreliable.
Maybe you're just lucky with your guns, but my rifle was a dud of the first degree.
I can not understand americans buying cheap import guns, while they have access to fair priced domestic quality parts. Nearly everyone shooting flint in Europe and wants something functional,highly reliable and good quality imports ML gun parts from the US. There are dealers who import from the US only and they're really expensive.
Whenever you hear about ignition problems with a flint gun, it is 99% of the time a production gun. Spanish or italian made,it makes no difference. Also, a replacement lock of the flinteater costs more than a quality US lock, from Davis,Chambers or L&R.
No question, the barrels work fine on the production guns and I have several cheap percussion guns which I usually give away to deserving youth, because they're reliable and not pricey. But flint is a different game. No halfway sane frontierman would have taken a patent breech on their flinter into the woods, because they are not made for flint and rugged conditions. After I installed a flint breech, this gun works fine. Go figure....
Why do the US lock manufacturers offer exchange locks for production guns. They would have no market, if these guns would be up to par....
When it was clean, it fired, but the slightest amount of dirt made it unreliable.
Maybe you're just lucky with your guns, but my rifle was a dud of the first degree.
I can not understand americans buying cheap import guns, while they have access to fair priced domestic quality parts. Nearly everyone shooting flint in Europe and wants something functional,highly reliable and good quality imports ML gun parts from the US. There are dealers who import from the US only and they're really expensive.
Whenever you hear about ignition problems with a flint gun, it is 99% of the time a production gun. Spanish or italian made,it makes no difference. Also, a replacement lock of the flinteater costs more than a quality US lock, from Davis,Chambers or L&R.
No question, the barrels work fine on the production guns and I have several cheap percussion guns which I usually give away to deserving youth, because they're reliable and not pricey. But flint is a different game. No halfway sane frontierman would have taken a patent breech on their flinter into the woods, because they are not made for flint and rugged conditions. After I installed a flint breech, this gun works fine. Go figure....
Why do the US lock manufacturers offer exchange locks for production guns. They would have no market, if these guns would be up to par....
Ahh......
The Patent Breech and the Chambered Breech were both designed in England in the 1790's for flintlock guns. :hmm:
The Patent Breech and the Chambered Breech were both designed in England in the 1790's for flintlock guns. :hmm:
chainshot09,I have that exact rifle. I've had no problems with it and it was my fist ML gun. I like it.
That said I would have liked a longer barrel, the Kentucky is only 36 inches. I think the other versions sold at cabela's like the Pennsylvania or blue ridge have barrels around 40 inches or so. I think that's better for a BP gun shooting RB's
As far as reliability goes its been very good.
That said I would have liked a longer barrel, the Kentucky is only 36 inches. I think the other versions sold at cabela's like the Pennsylvania or blue ridge have barrels around 40 inches or so. I think that's better for a BP gun shooting RB's
As far as reliability goes its been very good.
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Thank you for your time to respond. One of the Pedersolis I own, actually the only flintlock Pedersoli I own, the rest are percussion, is a .54 flint Kentucky pistol. It tended to eat flints, and the frizzen really wasn't hard enough. So I lightened the mainspring a little and since I am a Tool and Die Maker I gave the frizzen a couple of trips thru the Kasenite and it is a good shooter now. From this forum post I learned that I really probably would prefer the Blue Ridge flinter. Thanks everyone!
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Yes,Zonie and only gentlemen could afford these "faster" patent breech guns back then. They didn't have to worry about cleaning, because they had usually a servant to do that. The gun was used mainly for sporting purposes.
Operator error, that was a good one. I tried about everything to make this gun shoot reliable and even one of the german ML shooting champions in our club could't get that gun to work reliable.
I did not change anything on my routine and my custom gun (quality parts put tohether by a builder) fires every time. My first rifle built myself from quality parts fires every time. So please give me a break. My 275 year old original jaeger rifle fires every time. None of those working rifles have a patent breech. Whatever the threadstarter buys is his decision, but I only hope he doesn't get a dud....and he has been warned...
Operator error, that was a good one. I tried about everything to make this gun shoot reliable and even one of the german ML shooting champions in our club could't get that gun to work reliable.
I did not change anything on my routine and my custom gun (quality parts put tohether by a builder) fires every time. My first rifle built myself from quality parts fires every time. So please give me a break. My 275 year old original jaeger rifle fires every time. None of those working rifles have a patent breech. Whatever the threadstarter buys is his decision, but I only hope he doesn't get a dud....and he has been warned...
I only own two Pedersoli guns at the moment.
One is a percussion Tryon which is an excellent rifle. The other is a Queen Anne flintlock pistol.
There is no doubt that the Queen Anne breeching system was poorly designed with a very small hole that connected the bore with the vent.
I fixed this by greatly enlarging the hole and made my own vent liner so that powder could actually flow from the bore to the new vent hole.
My point is that I agree that there may be some flintlocks made by Pedersoli that could have been much better however I think this only goes with certain guns they make.
When so many others have had good results with the particular model of gun in question, (or the other models which are very similar) I can't help but think that this Pedersoli is probably a very good rifle.
I think it's good to let others know about your experience with your faulty Pedersoli but it is unfair to paint Pedersoli with such a wide brush based on one gun.
One is a percussion Tryon which is an excellent rifle. The other is a Queen Anne flintlock pistol.
There is no doubt that the Queen Anne breeching system was poorly designed with a very small hole that connected the bore with the vent.
I fixed this by greatly enlarging the hole and made my own vent liner so that powder could actually flow from the bore to the new vent hole.
My point is that I agree that there may be some flintlocks made by Pedersoli that could have been much better however I think this only goes with certain guns they make.
When so many others have had good results with the particular model of gun in question, (or the other models which are very similar) I can't help but think that this Pedersoli is probably a very good rifle.
I think it's good to let others know about your experience with your faulty Pedersoli but it is unfair to paint Pedersoli with such a wide brush based on one gun.
After reading this post back on the 15th, my buddy has been looking for a flinter, but did not want to wait for one to be built.
Shot him the Cabela's url to look over, he ordered it. He had a couple small coupon offers and it was shipped to his door for $430.
He ordered it on the 16th and received it on the 21st. We shot it today.
First gotta say, it's a very good looking rifle. Points well and just feels good to me.
This lock is FAST! We shot about 40 rounds through it and accuracy for just playing with a 50-60 grain load with .018 ticking and bore butter lube was very good. This thing exceeded all of ours expectations. For 449, if I hadn't spent all my gun money for the near future I would be all over it. Just hope Cabela's runs this sale after the first of the year.
Good looking, accurate fast shooting rifle.
IMH not so expert opinion, helluva value!
Shot him the Cabela's url to look over, he ordered it. He had a couple small coupon offers and it was shipped to his door for $430.
He ordered it on the 16th and received it on the 21st. We shot it today.
First gotta say, it's a very good looking rifle. Points well and just feels good to me.
This lock is FAST! We shot about 40 rounds through it and accuracy for just playing with a 50-60 grain load with .018 ticking and bore butter lube was very good. This thing exceeded all of ours expectations. For 449, if I hadn't spent all my gun money for the near future I would be all over it. Just hope Cabela's runs this sale after the first of the year.
Good looking, accurate fast shooting rifle.
IMH not so expert opinion, helluva value!
Jumpshot
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Good price. Sounds like your experience with it mirrors mine with my Pennsylvania. Ignition is very fast, and great accuracy.
Here's mine.
Here's mine.
My first flintlock was a Kentucky pedersoli. Shot really well and had one of the best looking walnut stocks I have ever seen if that is what it truely was. Really deep dark stock that was almost 3 domintional in a way. I chipped a piece off by accident once and it had a crystalized peck look.
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