Can someone ID this rifle?

[Robert Marshall]

A local dealer has this in his shop and I have never seen one before, it kinda looks like a small punt gun. He does not state caliber. Any ideas?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Might be Indian or Arabic.

 

[19 16 6]

More India guns ?
Looks like a Torador.
18th century ?
O.

 

[MacRob46]

Pretty sure it is Indian. The rear of the stock, where the butt joins, looks very much like those found on Indian and Persian matchlocks, with the pronounced step down to the stock. The miguelet lock is a little puzzling for an Indian piece but, if it was made in the area around Goa then there may be Portuguese/Spanish influence. The butt stock does not resemble most of the Arab/North African long guns I have seen which usually have fairly tall butts. It is probably a smooth bore, not a rifle.

 

[Robert Marshall]

Thanks for the replies. I have never seen one before. Odd looking for sure. Thanks, Robert

 

[hawkeye2]

The overall shape is correct for Indian. Interesting piece and in relatively good condition for that type gun. Does he have a price on it?

 

[Robert Marshall]

It's at a local pawn shop. He has it listed on the big site. I've not been in to quiz him about a price yet. Thanks, Robert

 

[hawkeye2]

"big site"? Cold you send me a PM if you can't mention the site here?

Thanks

 

[Robert Marshall]

"big site"? Cold you send me a PM if you can't mention the site here?

Thanks

PM sent.

 

[nwtradegun]

middle eastern arabic camel gun. they had oneon pawn stars

 

[Luzur]

Be warned though, alot of these Jezzail guns are tourist crap, so be sure to check it up before trying to fire anything from it.

 

[hawkeye2]

Coondawg thanks for the PM. I just bought this gun a few minutes ago and it will be shipped this afternoon. It looks a little too good to be a tourist piece but of course I could be wrong. I guess I'll find out for sure when I get it. She wouldn't cock it but pulled the hammer back and said the spring felt strong and nothing was floppy or loose. Now if Ricky will just come along and offer his opinion. BTW, I'm almost 100% certain this is an Indian piece.

 

[Robert Marshall]

cool. I've bought several guns from them. They are very good people. It just didnt fit my needs.

 

[Stumpkiller]

I think that one falls under Circassian flintlock. The straight butt and knuckle at the breech are indicators. 19th century to modern repro(?) Not quite a Jezzail.

And . . . the images won't work because it is to an auction site.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7081508_a-caucasian-flintlock-musket

Hopefully these will work:

Khevsur social club (what is now Georgia, Russia):

 

[hawkeye2]

It's quite possible it is a Circassian flintlock however the butt and the knuckle are also found in Indian guns. The two can be very similar. We may find out more when I can examine it or we may never learn the truth as sometimes happens with guns from the Middle East.

The images above show up very clearly and it wasn't listed on an auction site. I went through the 4 pages of the dealer's listings twice before I called them and they hadn't listed it yet.

BTW, a jezail is an Afghan gun almost always with an extreme hooked and short butt and a very long barrel.

 

[hawkeye2]

I received this musket early his afternoon. I had just gotten to sleep after a 9 hour overnight when the dogs alerted me that there was a brown truck in the driveway. Of course I had to see my latest toy right now so I struggled to open the box (exceptionally well packaged) and was quite pleasantly surprised. The gun was actually better than I had expected from the photos and from years of having see typical middle eastern pieces in person. The first thing I noticed was that the missing middle band (top photo) had slid forward and telescoped the 2nd. band by about 3/4 of its length. It took all of a second to slide it back in place. The mainspring is extremely heavy and both half and full cock notches work. The only negatives are that the rammer is a length of dowel but the iron tip seems to be original and the trigger binds slightly in its slot and needs to be helped forward. I'll do some more checking later but I believe that with a little cleaning it will be a shooter and no it wasn't loaded.

 

[Robert Marshall]

Good to hear!

 

[rich pierce]

I bet it's not a rifle.