Can you give us a link to that data?rodwha said:
Can you show me your wore out brass frame?
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I would seriously recommend 2F in brassers vs 3F. In most of my guns, it shoots better than 3F anyway, and according to Lyman, it produces about 3/4 the pressure of 3F in most applications.
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The South never made a brass framed navy44 because of a money shortage. That is just another urban legend. In fact there never was an 1851 navy 44 ever made until the replicas came into being. :hmm:
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That's a shame isn't it that Colt never made the '51 frame in .44.
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Tho' I appreciate those who use their wheelguns for hunting - and maybe even self defense - I would have to say that my G26, 12 gauge pump, and the wife's carry pistol are designated for self-defense.
My 1858 Pietta 44 is for fun and gettin' dirty and greasy. As hickok45 sez, "you can't do that with a Glock."
I am a newbie, but decided to spent the extra $30 or so for a steel frame, if nuthin' else than fer peace-of-mind. Sure am havin' fun with it.
My 1858 Pietta 44 is for fun and gettin' dirty and greasy. As hickok45 sez, "you can't do that with a Glock."
I am a newbie, but decided to spent the extra $30 or so for a steel frame, if nuthin' else than fer peace-of-mind. Sure am havin' fun with it.
I had a 31 cal pocket pistol once and I never wore it out but the pistols I have now are steel frame. Unless they were a whole lot cheaper I would skip the brass frames. Also I have a small arbor press from a bench rest shop and I load them with this and of course the cylenders are out of the guns! It makes a great nut cracker as well! Geo. T.
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Interesting that no one has responded to the OP's original request for a picture of a worn-out brasser. Just sayin'... :yakyak:
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James Bond said:
I know that the quality of several import brands back in the 60s & into the 70s left a lot (in some cases, a huge amount) to be desired. The CW revolver market was big during & after the centennial and some buyers were simply looking for reenactment (blanks) or display guns. Couple the availability of poorly made guns with a number of shooters trying to "see what it will do", subing "a bit" of smokeless powder or trying to make every gun into a magnum & it is easy to see a basis for brass frame 'tales'. :hmm:
A year or two ago one of our members posted several really good pictures that showed the damage a brass frame revolver can develop from firing heavy powder loads.
The ratchet teeth on the rear of the cylinder had pounded indentations at least 1/16" deep into the annular cylinder support in the frame.
I would hunt for those photos but searching for a photo with our search engine is impossible.
I'm hoping that whoever posted those pictures adds them to this topic.
The ratchet teeth on the rear of the cylinder had pounded indentations at least 1/16" deep into the annular cylinder support in the frame.
I would hunt for those photos but searching for a photo with our search engine is impossible.
I'm hoping that whoever posted those pictures adds them to this topic.
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Was it this one?
mjulihn
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Or this?
I'd say that about proves it.
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That is a VERY battered recoil shield but I dont think that alone would render it unfireable, it would increase the cylinder gap.
Those pictures look familiar. 
I don't recall saying this damage made the gun unshootable but cylinders that rattle back and forth and have large barrel gaps don't give most people warm fuzzy feelings.
If folks want a picture of a really screwed up condition that can happen with brass framed guns they will need to see one with the cylinder arbor (or pin) loose.
Of course it will look just like a picture of a gun with a tight cylinder arbor but my point is that this can happen.
This part is just screwed into the frame and brass threads, being what they are (weak) can cause them to fail.
If this happens, the cylinder arbor and the barrel (and wedge) can be blown off of the front of the gun.
While this might not damage the shooter, once it happens the gun will then be unshootable.
IMO, if common sense is used so the brass framed guns are loaded with mild powder loads they can be shot thousands of times without wearing out.
Someone loading the chambers with a hot powder like T7 and a heavy slug can expect their brass framed gun to be damaged. It's as simple as that.
I don't recall saying this damage made the gun unshootable but cylinders that rattle back and forth and have large barrel gaps don't give most people warm fuzzy feelings.
If folks want a picture of a really screwed up condition that can happen with brass framed guns they will need to see one with the cylinder arbor (or pin) loose.
Of course it will look just like a picture of a gun with a tight cylinder arbor but my point is that this can happen.
This part is just screwed into the frame and brass threads, being what they are (weak) can cause them to fail.
If this happens, the cylinder arbor and the barrel (and wedge) can be blown off of the front of the gun.
While this might not damage the shooter, once it happens the gun will then be unshootable.
IMO, if common sense is used so the brass framed guns are loaded with mild powder loads they can be shot thousands of times without wearing out.
Someone loading the chambers with a hot powder like T7 and a heavy slug can expect their brass framed gun to be damaged. It's as simple as that.
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What is amazing about this picture is the fact it is probably a Remington since it has a top strap.
This pistol was obvious made of low quality and rode very hard.
I am sure after years of beating a brass frame reproduction it will look pretty bad and be plenty loose but so would my S&W 629 if all I loaded was 300gr bullets with an ultra-hot load for griz bear. After about 15 years of that I am sure it would be loose also.
Thanks for the picture, it’s a good one.
This pistol was obvious made of low quality and rode very hard.
I am sure after years of beating a brass frame reproduction it will look pretty bad and be plenty loose but so would my S&W 629 if all I loaded was 300gr bullets with an ultra-hot load for griz bear. After about 15 years of that I am sure it would be loose also.
Thanks for the picture, it’s a good one.
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I agree that from what I can see these pics are of a Remington frame. Found them on the Internet so I have no story to go with them. :idunno:
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