canoe guns, blanket guns

[Va.Manuf.06]

Runner is no longer a member of this Forum.[/b]

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[Okwaho]

Well done Claude.

I will,however,continue to address and refer to my good friend Mike Brooks as "CHICKEN MAN".I feel supremely confident that he will address and refer to me in the same vein and God alone knows what that will be.
Tom Patton
The happy heretic

 

[Claude Mathis]

Well done Claude.

I will,however,continue to address and refer to my good friend Mike Brooks as "CHICKEN MAN".

"Poultry Person" would be more 'politically correct', but Chicken Man works for me. :wink:

 

[Mike Brooks]

Well done Claude.

I will,however,continue to address and refer to my good friend Mike Brooks as "CHICKEN MAN".I feel supremely confident that he will address and refer to me in the same vein and God alone knows what that will be.
Tom Patton
The happy heretic

"Old Goat" if I recall correctly.... :haha: :thumbsup:

 

Well done Claude.

I will,however,continue to address and refer to my good friend Mike Brooks as "CHICKEN MAN".I feel supremely confident that he will address and refer to me in the same vein and God alone knows what that will be.
Tom Patton
The happy heretic

"Old Goat" if I recall correctly.... :haha: :thumbsup:

Goat of advanced maturity, to be politically correct!!! :grin:

 

[faw3]

Well I have Runner blocked out on my board I just got worn out of his s..stuff and told "the Man" so, I was going to say something from readig what you said knowing who iy was aimed at BUT if he aint here then...Mike you stay Around!! :applause: like Cooner we all get a lot more from you both than my 30 something years of shooting but not building something I wish I'd done now. The cut down Sharps 50 was held together with wire (barrel) and square nail thru the loading loading lever it was - "As to the oft told tale about the "blanket guns" at Ft. Detroit,it is my understanding that reliable sources mentioned "weapons" hidden inside the womens' blankets" told from the son of about hideing guns comeing in to the rez.( this one looked more like it had been made a ML.) A :bow: to you both and a :bow: :bow: to Claude. Fred :hatsoff: ( I thought I'd have to beg ya to dump that guy and he'd out last me Claude, many thanks.)

 

[Okwaho]

Well done Claude.

I will,however,continue to address and refer to my good friend Mike Brooks as "CHICKEN MAN".I feel supremely confident that he will address and refer to me in the same vein and God alone knows what that will be.
Tom Patton
The happy heretic

"Old Goat" if I recall correctly.... :haha: :thumbsup:

Goat of advanced maturity, to be politically correct!!! :grin:

Cooner,you do have a way with words.I shall file that one with Joe Hinson's "bovine flatulance".I hope that we have learned that it is,after all,possible and of course highly desirable to maintain differences of opinion in a civil manner.To paraphrase Joe Kindig Jr.I really don't care whether or not you agree with me,just do the research to prove one of us right.after all the truth is or ought to be our ultimate goal.Mike,I'm glad you will be remaining with us.There's something rather comforting about some one who has a chicken for an avatar.
Tom Patton
To whom heresy is a way of life.

 

[cptleo1]

Hey guys:

Now that the urination competition seems to be over , Might I ask a question related to the ORIGINAL question ?

There is no doubt that as barrels blew up they were cut off and pressed back into service.

Realizing that the Army's of the day must have had gunsmiths that traveled with them them, they still wouldn't have carried dozens of replacement barrels and stocks with them.

I can't imagine why the standard repair of the day for a ruptured barrel in Europe or here WOULDN'T be a hack saw (As in hack off the end of the barrel)

With wars and such going on all over Europe during this time, How come we don't see 'Canoe' guns from over there?

For that matter I don't recall seeing any Conoe guns from the Middle East or India/Pakistan areas, and those fellows had many ML's and very few gunsmiths.

I would think that most civilians weren't supposed to have guns (but did) and a 'canoeized'
Bess would be a lot easier to hide/transport.

Any thoughts ?

 

[billandbeaufort]

I often see cut down smoothbores at gun shows--that is guns that were cut down in period. The ones I've seen have always been European muskets for some reason and have always been cut down to the length of a pistol. Why these chopped up relics appear in New England is a mystery to me. The workmanship is usually quite crude and may indicate the final stage of use for a basically worn out musket. Anyway, it does appear that some guns were cut down in period, though whether they were hidden under blankets or carried around in canoes may be difficult to prove.

If they had had convienience stores way back then, the reason for shortened guns would be obvious! :rotf:

 

[Mike Brooks]

Military guns were sent back to the armory and properly repaired.
As a side note. I have seen trade guns with brazed repairs for ruptures in the barrel. I doubt these were shipped over here new that way as they had inspectors to look over these guns before they were shipped. I've also read that they specifically stated there were to be no barrels with that type of repair used. ( Don't make me look up where I read this.... :haha: )
So, just because there was a problem with a barrel doesn't mean the owner immediately reached for a saw. Hudson's Bay sent armorers to North America to fix the Indians guns when they brought them in broken. I've seen long lists of gun parts requested on manifests to fix trade guns. New barrels, locks, lock parts, butt plates etc....
So, with Indians going through all the trouble of getting barrels brazed instead of cut off I'd figure they'd just have soon kept them their original length because that long length served a purpose. Besides, what are you going to do with a stumpy little gun once you get out of your canoe?
These "Company" gunsmiths also went amongst the tribes out in the boonies to fix guns too.

 

[Claude Mathis]

A :bow: to you both and a :bow: :bow: to Claude. Fred :hatsoff: ( I thought I'd have to beg ya to dump that guy and he'd out last me Claude, many thanks.)

Banning someone doesn't come easy for me.

 

[tg]

There are many entries in period records of smiths working on and repairing NDN guns from quite early on, it is doubtfull that the hack saw was the first option.

 

[tg]

"I would have defined canoe gun as one being short and easily manuevered in the boat, but now my thoughts are a tad different with all this insight! "

The above quote is a very good indication of how these threads can be a learning and shareing experience as well as some entertaining sparring as well, and supports the suggestion I have often made about traditiional gear and defining it in an honest manner so as to shed a realistic view of then and now, and the differences for those who may have been guided thus far by misconceptions and self serving definitions to boost the ego of many who like the term but don't care to meet its requierments,or drag the definition down to a "comfortable" (read, like to use modern stuff) level (not meaning to pick on you Brett, your statement was just a good example of seeing things differently with the aid of research)

 

[faw3]

" Banning someone doesn't come easy for me."



I understand you, but he has bent around the rules and used them to make others look bad as when he called me for lieing and I called him on it and he said I was right, I just wouldn't read anything he said after that, I knew he'd hang his self. You went more than that extra mile on this him. Just my 2 cents, I guess some will miss his stuff some of us wont. Me I think you did right, now Im all over this covering the wrong thing Sorry all! Back to canoe gun ! :surrender: Fred

 

[FearNot]

Well done Claude.

I will,however,continue to address and refer to my good friend Mike Brooks as "CHICKEN MAN".I feel supremely confident that he will address and refer to me in the same vein and God alone knows what that will be.
Tom Patton
The happy heretic

"Old Goat" if I recall correctly.... :haha: :thumbsup:

How about "historically advanced" for this board?