Can't find a white mountain carbine

[taylorh]

Hi Guys,
I've been patiently waiting for a white mountain carbine in .54, without the rubber shoulder boot, to come for sale for some time on various online gun auction sites, including ebay. When I wasn't in the market for one, they seemed to be everywhere, for a little over two bills. But since I started looking (about six months) I haven't seen one at any price. Are these things relatively rare or what? Or is it just the wrong season to find one?
Taylor in Texas

 

[Big John]

Riley's Gun Shop in Hooksett,New Hampshire has them regulary for approx. $150-$175.

 

[taylorh]

Hello Big John,
Thanks for the heads up, they did have two, but they were in .50 with the rubber butt-stock. I need one in .54 without a rubber butt-stock. Anyone else have a suggestion?
Taylor in Texas

 

[Landngroove]

I have never seen a T/C White Mountain Carbine without a rubber recoil pad. I could be mistaken, but if you have seen one, it was probably not a WMC stock. Maybe from a Renegade? Around here a WMC in very good condition sells for $250.00, to $300.00. I know of a .54 WMC at a local gunshop. P.M. if interested for details.

 

[taylorh]

They exist, I've seen several in the past. It wasn't until later that they started putting those rubber butt-pads on them.
Taylor in Texas

 

[Rebel]

If you can't find one without the rubber buttpad, how about getting one with it and then replacing it with the one you want?

 

[lonedave]

Hey Texan

I have a 54 with the rubber buttpad that I may be willing to let go of. I'll be out some this weekend, but pm me and we can talk if you want to.

Dave

 

[taylorh]

I thought about getting one with the rubber butt-pad and just removing it. What I don't know is... are the stocks on the rubber butt-pad models shorter than the ones without the pad? Don't know, do you?
Taylor in Texas

 

[Pork Chop]

I have a couple of older renegades with the steel butt plates. They are .50 though.

 

[lonedave]

I just laid my White Mountain over the top of my New Englander (steel buttplate) and they are pretty close in total length. However, the pad is a little thicker than the steel, so you might end up with a slightly shorter LOP when done. It would probably be no more than 1/4" or so.

Dave

 

[taylorh]

Thanks lone dove. You guys are the best!
Taylor in Texas
:hatsoff:

 

[taylorh]

For those of you wanting to see a white mountain carbine with a metal butt-plate there is one on ebay listed as a pennsylvania carbine in .50. The pennsylvania hunter is supposed to be a flintlock, but there seems to be some overlap. Both were made in .50 and .54.
Taylor in Texas

 

[Pittsburghunter]

The origonal White Mountain Carbine was made with the rubber recoil pad and a 1:20 twist barrel that shot heavy conicals well. A friend of mine bought one the second year they were making them. At the same time they came out with the Pennsylvania rifle that used the same stock had the 15/16 barrel and was rifled for roundball.

An offering called the "New Englander" also used the same stock and it was a slightly longer version of the WMC with a slower twist barrel I believe in the 1:48 range.

You can still buy versions of these rifles new, I just bought a Pennsylvania rifle from Fox Ridge Outfitters.

 

[taylorh]

The New Englander has a round barrel and both the pennsylvania hunter carbine and the white mountain carbine have octogon-to-round barrels, so I don't see how they could use the same stock or be confused with each other. Most pennsylvania hunters that I have seen were flinters, and the fox ridge carbine now being offered has a full 21" octogon barrel. I also don't know of tc ever producing a 15/16" barrel that was in .54 caliber. They usually reserve that for the .50. Check out the picture of a pennsylvania hunter carbine on[url] gunsamerica.com[/url] being sold as a pennsylvania hunter and you will see a 21" oct-to-round barreled gun being sold with a metal butt plate. I have also seen in the past .54 and .50 white mountain carbines sold on ebay that had metal butt-stocks. They could have been put together after they left the factory as something else, but they didn't appear to be so. Also I have never seen a white mountain carbine that wasn't a percussion lock.
Still looking,
Taylor in Texas

 

[Landngroove]

T/C Penn Hunter Carbines were offered in percussion, as well as flint in an octagon to round barrel, 21", 1 in 66" twist, .50 caliber. I am looking at T/C catalog # 19 as I write this and they are right in front of me. They have a metal buttplate. The later Penn. Hunter Carbines, (I own one) have a 21" full octagonal barrel. Mine is 15/16" across the flats, and is a flinter. as the earlier oct. to round barrels are. All of my T/C catalogs show the White Mountain Carbine either .45, .50, or .54 with oct. to round, 21" barrels, and with rubber butt pads. The barrels between a Penn. Hunter Carbine, and a WMC, .50 caliber are interchangeable, as are the stocks. I do own several WMC's, and the .50 calibers are 15/16" across the flats, and the .54 caliber is 1" across the flats. A New Englander has a full round barrel (I own two New Englanders), and is a different animal than the Penn. Hunter, and WMC. To add to all this confusion, T/C catalog # 19 shows a White Mountain Carbine in .50 caliber flintlock, with a 1 in 20" twist. :yakyak:

 

[taylorh]

Thanks Land and Groove. It sounds like what I'm really looking for is a percussion lock pennsylvania hunter carbine in .54, with a metal butt-plate. Anyone who has one for sale, feel free to pm me.
Thanks,
Taylor in Texas

 

[Pittsburghunter]

My newer Pennsylvania rifle is 1:66 twist full octagonal and has a longer barrel than the Hawken or Renegade. It does however have the rubber butt plate which a roundball rifle would never need :hmm:

I have only shot the rifle like 4 times but have given up on it as it is. My Renegade kicks it's ass in every contest so far and it has a 1:48 twist.

I am going to drop it back off at Fox Ridge after hunting season when I have some time.