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the priest

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My apologies for posting a hunting question here but there's not a 'hunting' area for pistols.

Curious as to anyone's experience with a cap and ball pistol and whitetail deer. I'm thinking very seriously about doe hunting with one this year.

A lot of people believe the old cap and ball pistols aren't powerful enough to do the job effectively. anyone have experience to the contrary or is this question :youcrazy:

thanks in advance
 
Since I've shot a .22 long rifle Mini-Mag plum through a deer I would say they are definitely powerful enough with good shot placement inside reasonable range.
I've killed 2 wild hogs with mine, a '58 rem. 'Buffalo' and a Ruger Old Army. Both one shot. The one I shot with my Ruger I took a chest shot on a good sized sow (est. near 275 or so lbs.) that was trotting by my stand, it ran off but collapsed about 100 paces maybe little more away. Shot through the heart/lung blood vessel piping junction, blew blood after the first 10-12 leaps would have been easy to track down even if I had not seen which direction it went.
Another smaller hog I shot with the '58 Rem I shot him in the back of the head, dropped dead.
I used Lee mould slugs in both pistols. :thumbsup:
 
Many will discourage you from hunting deer with the cap and ball. I will not but advise you to think carefully before you do. If you are an experienced hunter(I am not) and have hunted with handguns before and know how to get close than I'd say you could do it humanely. If not than I'd advise you to stick with a long gun or a powerful cartridge handgun. There is no doubt that the old cap and ball guns ar powerful but there is also no doubt that deer ar pretty tough critters that can run quite aways even after being shot with powerful modern guns.

Don
 
No worries as far as hunting skill Don. I grew up in an area like,...well, Grizzly Adams, and I've hunted archery and modern revolvers for over 20 years. While I personally have no doubts I was looking for some real world experiences. More or less I'm looking to do something different, more limiting, and challenging. :v
 
Try some sort of slugs for more power. You can buy different brands or get a Lee mould (I did) and cast your own. Use a '58 Rem.replica., a Ruger '58 with adjustable sights. You'll be surprised at the accuracy/power. Of course use a max gr. load.
Get close and if you are in a tree stand you might practice shooting from an elevation.
 
yes I use one of two Black powder pistols hunting white tail.Rugar BP-7 Old Army and a kentucky .45cal single shot. In my state you CAN NOT use a pistol during Black powder season. So I use mine during regular gun season. I have been successful with both. You must know both your weapons and your limitations. Good luck I do recommend that you check your local laws reguarding the use of a Black Powder pistol for hunting.

Juggernaut
 
You best check out your States hunting laws about using a C&B revolver for big game.

It's against the law to use them for big game like deer in Arizona.

zonie :)
 
I took out a wounded pig with a 44 Colt at about 3' with a shot to the forhead, but that does not count as hunting with a C&B as he was wounded with a 243. He did quit moving after being shot with the 44.
 
If you go to the Hodegon site and look at their hunting reports there is one about a fellow who took a deer with a .45 ROA

Dave Clements makes a .490 RB ROA conversion that produces .357mag energies - but makes a much nicer hole.

That said, it's all up to the inconsistant regulations of your State.

In Indiana it's illegal to hunt deer with a C&B like the ROA, but you can hunt deer with a C&B revolver using a Cartridge Conversion cylinder and wimpy "Cowboy" .45LC loads. Go figure.
 
Old Ironsights,

A good suggestion, but I'm trying to stick with the historically correct ballers from the 1800s.

Over the last twenty years, I've filled the freezer with the .357, .45s, and .44s. The Old Army isn't much different than most of those as they usually shoot bullets as well (or better) than balls. Trying something new this year,.....now if I can only find the time. :shocked2:
 
The Priest said:
Old Ironsights,

A good suggestion, but I'm trying to stick with the historically correct ballers from the 1800s.

Over the last twenty years, I've filled the freezer with the .357, .45s, and .44s. The Old Army isn't much different than most of those as they usually shoot bullets as well (or better) than balls. Trying something new this year,.....now if I can only find the time. :shocked2:

In that case I'd have to say Walker or a steel framed Rem only. You can open up a .44 Rem pretty good, but it still won't have the poop of a modern .357 - which IMO is about minimum for ethical deer.
 
I've taken home 8 or so with the marginal .357, all complete pass throughs and one shot kills. One dropped immediately. :winking:

In this case there will be a stout load of triple seven, a pure lead ball, and a .45 cal ball. My '58 will usually hold 6 inside 2 inches at 25yrds off hand. I'm very confident it will work effectively and humanely if a person can get in the field, see a deer, have it come close enough for a good shot, then hit the spot. Those ballistic tables don't tell the whole story on the lead ball.

More than one account of bears being taken with Army revolvers has been put on paper. Of course these have to be taken with a grain of salt because of the bigger fish sydrome. Nonetheless, like a child sitting anxiously the night before Christmas,....I believe. :v
 
The Priest said:
I've taken home 8 or so with the marginal .357, all complete pass throughs and one shot kills. One dropped immediately. :winking:
.357 isn't marginal, just minimum. I like .357. Got a revolver and levergun. A properly loaded .357 shoots like a factory .30-30.

Most certainly wouldn't want to shoot a deer with a .38sp class loading. It will work, but it's not a good idea.

OK. no more suppository talk. :shocked2: back to Round-ball ballistics. :winking:
 
here in NYS the law is 45 cal and up for deer and they say muzzleloader not revolver...I would take a shot if it were close and clean with a 50...better to carry it as a side arm in case you need a second shot which I haven't yet
 
If you put a slug in the rascal and it runs off leaving a blood trail track it down and give 'im few whacks in the noggin with yer .44 to administer the coup `de grace if you can't shoot again. :v
 
Ballistically, a "properly loaded", whatever that means, .357 is not equivalent to factory 30-30 ammo. There are two things missing. Bullet weight and/or velocity. I don't believe you're going to get 2000+ fps, across a chronograph, out of a .357 revolver or rifle with 150 or 170 gr. bullets. If it's being done I don't want to be anywhere near. Until the advent of heavy, 300 gr., 44 cal. bullets the 44 mag lagged considerably behind the often and wrongly maligned "thutty-thutty". Check the ballistic tables in any loading manual or run a load across your own chronograph and make your own calculations. There's this thing called "powder capacity". Comparatively the 357 is significantly behind the 30-30.

Regarding killing deer with a 44, C&B revolver, sure, it can be done and has been. The favorite tool of deer poachers is a 22 LR and the 44 carries more energy than a 22. Not a lot but still, more. That isn't to say it's the best tool for the job, which it isn't. Having said that, a careful, experienced hunter, as you say you are, should be more than capable of taking a deer with said revolver. I almost took a shot at a skinhead whitetail last year with a 45 cal. flintlock pistol loaded with 40 grs. of Fffg, and would have, had the deer presented a shot I was comfortable with. There is a little more energy and velocity in my flintlock pistol than any of the revolvers, Walker included. Ballistically it has to do with barrel length. It's still very marginal. The deer didn't present the shot and I didn't shoot. It is imperative you maintain that kind of control, and, from what you've said, you are capable. Would I do it..........maybe.....maybe not. Conditions would prevail. Ordinarily I carry a pistol in the same caliber as my rifle during muzzleloading season so it's unlikely the opportunity will present itself.

Obviously local laws will determine the legality of using a C&B revolver.

Vic
 
The state that I live in, black powder pistols can’t be
used to hunt deer unless you use a shoulder stock
on them. Then it’s OK.


Tinker2
 
A thought on shooting bullets. An artical many years back talked about using connicals loaded backwards in a ROA to get the wad cutter effect. You may not get as much penatration but a nice clean hole for more blood to come out off. Just a thought
The 44 will take deer in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.
I did see a deer run off after being shot twice with a 243, once with a 22LR and once with a 357 from 10 feet. Some deer are hard to stop.
 
In Ohio it's no B/P pistols at no time,no where,
at no place period. It's illegal to have one on
your person during any hunting season :(
snake-eyes :hatsoff:
 
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