Charleville Musket?

[Artificer]

And I wonder if any other nation than India's blackpowder guns are so universally and deservedly recognized as below average, inferior, if not actually dangerous?

OK, no I don't. Neither does anyone else who has an opinion on the subject. Which is why resellers are not disclosing this pertinent information to prospective victims... I mean customers.

Wow, what a generalization that is. Actually, it sounds like you are putting the blame on the country RATHER than those who have the guns made at such low cost. I may be mistaken, but having read what Loyalist Dave and others have said, not all the inexpensive guns from India are equal. Some seem to be better than others, depending on who or what company made them.

There were some guns imported from Italy in the 70's, 80's and 90's that were everything you mentioned above and yet no one blames the COUNTRY of Italy for them, rather they blamed the Importers who brought in really cheap/inferior guns.

Gus

 

[mzloder]

Wow! I, aaaahhh........wasn't meaning to stir the pot to this extent........but I thank you all for your input! I think I'll pass on the Charleville, I noticed that Dixie has a Trade Gun made by Pedersoli that looks interesting..... Maybe I'll just keep saving and get one from North Star West, there's no rush.

 

[Artificer]

FWIW, I think you have made a good decision.

Gus

 

[Alden]

The gun is identified twice in the pages as "by East India Company." No case for a litigator.

Further, you have not shown evidence/proof this was an intentional act to mislead or deceive. Your opinion is only that, opinion...

Gus

Huh!? Now you're just arguing to argue Gus. Tsk, tsk.

No-one has any idea what or where East India Company is.

:idunno:

Oh, I think I found it! Ain't it right in between Shiloh Sharps in Farmingdale and Cooper in Stevensville?

Track only used that name. Darn right. Didn't say gun was made in India. Fact! Used INSTEAD of saying the gun was MADE IN INDIA... That was an intentional decision, obviously, and the reason is apparent to what we call "the reasonable man."

They did it to deceive.
Acted out of greed.
Maybe here they'll read.
And my, not Gus', words they'll heed.
Unless they want sales to bleed.
While customers get up to leave.

Once they've clearly given up integrity when, why, how would anyone ever trust them?

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Well LD, let's default to it as a matter of common law.

I'm quite familiar with Common Law... it has no bearing on a civil case outside of a Common Law Marriage, and a few criminal laws such as conspiracy. It once did but the majority of jurisdictions have codified the Common Law so that it no longer exists.

The ad clearly says, "by East India Company". You obviously haven't bothered to find out if in fact the name of the source for this particular item is a company doing business, and calling itself "East India Company".

It is not "THE East India Company"...by the way there were TWO such companies in history... The DUTCH East India Company, and The BRITISH East India Company. OH and gee even if they were trying to pass this off as from either of the two historic companies or using this to confuse the public, guess what... both companies were located in...wait for it... INDIA. (geesh)

The lack of the use of the phrase, verbatum, "Made in India" does not constitute fraud by any means whatsoever.

Civil Fraud, Criminal Fraud, and even if we go back in history to the Common Law criteria... for any of this to constitute fraud, the intent must be proved of the seller to keep the property (in this case a full cash refund) from the victim (the buyer)...ergo,... if they offer an inspection period and full refund, and honor that agreement, there is no fraud. For any of this to constitute deceptive advertising, it would apply only if you contacted them and they denied India origin, or claimed to be ignorant of the origin when they actually knew its source.

This is the basic, ongoing, long established, protection of the "100% Money Back Guaranty". You purchase something from an ad, it doesn't live up to what you think the ad claimed, you decide to get a refund, and do so. It protects you the buyer,... but it also protects the seller from "fraud" charges.

LD

 

[Artificer]

Well said, Dave.

In another recent thread on this forum, "1777 charleville musket," a new forum member made the unsolicited statement that when he contacted TOTW about that musket, they DID INDEED inform him it was made in India.

TOTW has a money back return policy that Alden already admitted he took advantage of. Further, TOTW did not relist that gun.

Hence there is no deceptive advertising in this case and certainly no fraud.

Gus

 

[daoliver924]

Yup. How many cars are on GMs website that do not say Made in Canada, or Made in Japan, .....

Same thing. You can either ask or you have to go look for the CoO tag yourself.