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Dave;
What YOU'RE forgeting is that Jap (Miroku) Bess' at least have a bit of a cult following. And there may be a good reason for it. I have one. It's a fine gun, or was, and then I was offered very good money for it and never would part with it.

Not saying most of your points are not valid, however, that rule of supply and demand you cite? Works both ways!
 
That's one purdy '77 Alden! I was thinking of one myself, how does it shoot? Your clothespin display sticks are subtle but effective :haha:
 
The 1795 Springfield holds a special place in my heart. And I have two tiny little scars in my chest made by one. It is the musket depicted on the combat infantry badge.
 
Shine;
'splain! U got the CIB (guessing you weren't an MP) and they pushed it into your chest...
 
I was 11b b4 and my first one was when I was 19. The first sergeant did not push it in . He beat it in with his fist and bent over the prongs when they stuck out my back
 
In the late 70's when I was doing so much volunteer and "play" time at Historic Fort Wayne, Fort Wayne, Indiana - a few of us decided to portray Brush's Independent Company of Ohio Infantry for the War of 1812 event as the uniforms were CHEAP (VERY simple linen Hunting Shirts and Trousers and even then an inexpensive/correct black wool hat was available). I copied an original correct period Militia Cartridge Box they had in the Museum Collection (not on display) and made copies of it for each of us and the bayonet hangers and scabbards and waistbelts and other leather goods.

Since we had a direct "in" at Navy Arms, we all got "Charleville" kits with lock plates that were not engraved. We talked about getting them properly engraved as Springfield Muskets, but never got around to it. A couple other members of our group assembled the kits for us and fit the bayonets. They were VERY good muskets, indeed.

One of the very first items of the event was an Inspection of all the Regular and Militia Troops by Major Wheeler (portrayed by a retired Marine Corps Reserve Lt. Colonel and local Judge) AND Brian Dunnigan (Director of Historic Fort Wayne and later to go on to be Director Fort Ticonderoga) portrayed the Major’s XO as a Captain, though I don’t remember his correct historic name.

Our Sergeant was my best friend in life, a Marine Reserve SSgt. I was an Active Duty Marine SSgt with the exact same date of rank, but I was the “Senior Private.” We also had a Prior Service Soldier and a Navy Gunner’s Mate as well as my friend’s young son. We really got the guns and gear in excellent condition to stand a “proper” military inspection.

When Major Wheeler inspected me, he turned to “Captain” Brian Dunnigan and suggested that “their Regulars” could learn a few things about Military Bearing, the Manual Arms and MOST certainly how to properly maintain a Military Firelock from us. “Captain” Brian replied we probably had just been issued brand new muskets and that’s why ours looked so good. Of course, I could not let that pass. I replied, “SIR, Begging the Major’s Pardon and with sincere respect to the Captain; I beg to differ. The muskets were rusty and the brass corroded when we received them. However, as a Sergeant in the Marine Corps before the end of my enlistment and coming west, I LEARNED how to properly take care of my Firelock and equipment!! Should the Major be so inclined and the Captain so disposed, I would consider it an honor to teach your Sergeants and Corporals how to get your men to do it.” Major Wheeler had a wry grin on his face and poor Brian did not know what to say while he blushed red. When Captain Brian finished inspecting me and in a low voice said, “Gus, I just might take you up on that offer.”
Gus
 
As to the effectiveness of the British Brown Bess vs the Charleville, I learned something VERY interesting at the World Championships of the International Muzzle Loading Committee at Wedgnock, UK in 1996. The Premier Shooting Events in that competition are done with original firearms and they have duplicate, though less prestigious events for authentic reproductions.

I got with British Team Members the first day to see what original Brown Besses they were shooting. I thought I would see India Pattern Arms, but HOPED someone had an earlier Bess. To my SHOCK, not one of the British Team shot an original Brown Bess. When I asked them why, they all told me those (deleted derogatory description) French Muskets were more accurate than the Brown Bess.

As a matter of fact, their shooters used American M1822/35 Muskets in the original Flintlock Musket Matches and asked me if anyone on our Team had one or more for sale. So with a jovial manner, I asked why they wanted an American made "FRENCH" musket? They said it was infinitely better to use a Musket made by at least somewhat English speaking people in "their old Colonies." We all laughed about that.
Gus
 
I was being kind to non-coms for a minute, sorry.
B4 -- hot damn.
Thanks! :wink:

Well, people should be listening to what you have to say here, and maybe Art, sometimes. LOL
 
Artificer said:

And Gus, I am sure you have seen these?

http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20francaise/collection%20fusils/a%20a%20collection%20fusils%20fr.htm

It doesn't go back as far as I would like but still excellent examples starting with the M1777. Click on the text below the pics to see more detail. If you have Chrome, it should translate the articles from French to English.
 
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