Cheek piece on a Hawken,

[sturmkatze]

@ hunter Didn't realize there were so many Hawken snobs here. You sound like TVM when I requested they leave the cheek piece off of my "custom" Leman, they said they couldn't attach their name to it. I have to wonder if I had walked into a gunsmith shop during the day when Real Hawkens (all today are replicas) were being built and requested the stock be straight sided if the smith would refuse my business.

Maybe. Might have told you to leave. You never know.

 

[yellowhammer]

A cheek rest can be both elegant and functional.

Don't flame the innocent ignorant meek unexperienced neophyte that I am, but could you and others in here please explain to me the physical purpose and benefits of a cheek rest? Not appearance and aesthetic benefits! I mean the tangible functional physical benefit you get from a cheek rest as opposed to a stock without one that fits you.

 

[OldMaineWoodsman]

OMW,

Are there more pics of the Edge Hawken somewhere? That looks like a very fine rifle!

GT

Here you go...

.54 caliber; Bob Roller lock. I recently purchased it from Track of the Wolf.

 

[OldMaineWoodsman]

Don't flame the innocent ignorant meek unexperienced neophyte that I am, but could you and others in here please explain to me the physical purpose and benefits of a cheek rest? Not appearance and aesthetic benefits! I mean the tangible functional physical benefit you get from a cheek rest as opposed to a stock without one that fits you.

Sure. A cheek rest is used to make the stock effectively thicker than one without it, moving the face to the side, not up. This can help to align the eye laterally with the sight plane.

Some like them, some don't. If a stock fits you without one, great.

 

[yellowhammer]

Do what you want. Being a budget kit and not really a Hawken, you can not hurt anything. One real Hawken was like the drawing below. View attachment 269635

Scota, Can I get a full size copy of that drawing? Maybe the whole set?

 

[reddogge]

Shotguns historically don't have them but rifles do.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Mine DOESN'T.

Interesting thing about the cheek-piece is it's one of the evolutions in the development of rifles in North America.
The rifle-smithing that came from the Germaners' Jeager rifles. The early colonial rifles had the square rest, but that changed to what we have there. Beavertail. Nothing more American.
Sand away, Commie.

The beavertail or round cheeek piece is English

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

@ hunter Didn't realize there were so many Hawken snobs here. You sound like TVM when I requested they leave the cheek piece off of my "custom" Leman, they said they couldn't attach their name to it. I have to wonder if I had walked into a gunsmith shop during the day when Real Hawkens (all today are replicas) were being built and requested the stock be straight sided if the smith would refuse my business.

I probably refused to make 1/4 of the guns requested of me. No big deal. I had a waiting list of generally 30+ most of the time. If the customer wanted a stupid gun I would refer him to somebody that would make something stupid.

 

[DementedMindOfJac]

The beavertail or round cheeek piece is English

Nope. Englishers are not that smart. They messed with us, didn't they?

 

[DementedMindOfJac]

I probably refused to make 1/4 of the guns requested of me. No big deal. I had a waiting list of generally 30+ most of the time. If the customer wanted a stupid gun I would refer him to somebody that would make something stupid.

Reminds me of a friend who runs a smithy/range. He turns down people because he knows them. Guy wanted him to re-barrel his rifle. My guy says he's too busy. I know he's got nothing real, so I ask when the guy leaves.
"Because Billy-bob there will burn that barrel also then tell everyone how I done a bad job."

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Nope. Englishers are not that smart. They messed with us, didn't they?

You're joking right?

 

[DementedMindOfJac]

You're joking right?

Nope. They sure did. 1775 to 1783. Surprised you ain't heard about that.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Nope. They sure did. 1775 to 1783. Surprised you ain't heard about that.

I'm refering to the round cheek piece, not the Rev war.

 

[bptactical]

Where did you get this diagram? It seems to be very well detailed. Something you would frame and hang in the workshop.

It is the famed “Robidoux Hawken” print. A gent named Wayne Robidoux in Nebraska dissected and precisely measured and drafted an original as a tech school project back in the Renaissance of muzzleloading (early 70’s).
They are very well done and there are 6 prints in total. A motivated individual could build a very nice rifle from them.
There are some copies out there floating around.
FYI- due to the numerous amount of copying on different machines there is a minor (but notable) scaling problem. We caught it when one of my engineers was looking at them, he calculated that the print was about .03% too large.
If you work strictly from the measurements you’re fine- if you try to work from the scale of the drawing you will be too large.
You could get a drafting/blueprint shop to correct it but I was quoted $200+ to have it done.

 

[Tumbledown]

@ hunter Didn't realize there were so many Hawken snobs here. You sound like TVM when I requested they leave the cheek piece off of my "custom" Leman, they said they couldn't attach their name to it. I have to wonder if I had walked into a gunsmith shop during the day when Real Hawkens (all today are replicas) were being built and requested the stock be straight sided if the smith would refuse my business.

1- You asked for opinions and got them.

2- TVM wouldn't make a Leman w/o a cheek rest? That's their perogative, as their name is attached to it and they apparently feel it would be an inaccurate representation of a specific gun, lefty or not. An artist has a right to refuse a commission piece when it goes against their art.

You've got .80cal ones calling anyone here "snobs."

 

[French Colonial]

The evil Mike Brooks reminds me of my late friend Bruce Horne, he really upset more than one guy that came to him wanting a fantasy gun or horn or whatever made and was told flat out no.

If his name was going on it, it was going to built correctly or it was not being built.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

The evil Mike Brooks reminds me of my late friend Bruce Horne, he really upset more than one guy that came to him wanting a fantasy gun or horn or whatever made and was told flat out no.

If his name was going on it, it was going to built correctly or it was not being built.

I knew Bruce and Pappy. Hard to believe both have passed on.

 

[DementedMindOfJac]

If his name was going on it, it was going to built correctly or it was not being built.

One of my Gran'da's favorite sayings: "There are two types of job. One you'll sign your name on the job-sheet, and one you won't."

 

[French Colonial]

I knew Bruce and Pappy. Hard to believe both have passed on.

Bruce and I were running buddies for a long time, he built most of my rifles and several of my horns. I miss him a lot.
And Pappy......he was in the throes of dementia for many years but was well cared for by a loving wife.

 

[Jay Templin]

Nope. Englishers are not that smart. They messed with us, didn't they?

No, they didn’t. We messed with them. They were here first.
Jay