Coffee or Tea?

[Claude Mathis]

when did coffee first show up in America?

By the late 1600’s the Dutch were growing coffee at Malabar in India and in 1699 took some plants to Batavia in Java, in what is now Indonesia. Within a few years the Dutch colonies had become the main suppliers of coffee to Europe, where coffee had first been brought by Venetian traders in 1615. This was a period when the two other globally significant hot beverages also appeared in Europe. Hot chocolate was the first, brought by the Spanish from the Americas to Spain in 1528; and tea, which was first sold in Europe in 1610. At first coffee was mainly sold by lemonade vendors and was believed to have medicinal qualities. The first European coffeehouse opened in Venice in 1683, with the most famous, Caffe Florian in Piazza San Marco, opening in 1720. It is still open for business today. The largest insurance market in the world, Lloyd's of London, began life as a coffeehouse. It was started in 1688 by Edward Lloyd, who prepared lists of the ships that his customers had insured.

The first literary reference to coffee being drunk in North America is from 1668 and, soon after, coffee houses were established in New York, Philadelphia, Boston and other towns. The Boston Tea Party Of 1773 was planned in a coffee house, the Green Dragon. Both the New York Stock Exchange and the Bank of New York started in coffeehouses in what is today known as Wall Street.

 

[Ron LaClair]

By the late 1600’s the Dutch were growing coffee at Malabar in India and in 1699 took some plants to Batavia in Java, in what is now Indonesia. Within a few years the Dutch colonies had become the main suppliers of coffee to Europe, where coffee had first been brought by Venetian traders in 1615. This was a period when the two other globally significant hot beverages also appeared in Europe. Hot chocolate was the first, brought by the Spanish from the Americas to Spain in 1528; and tea, which was first sold in Europe in 1610. At first coffee was mainly sold by lemonade vendors and was believed to have medicinal qualities. The first European coffeehouse opened in Venice in 1683, with the most famous, Caffe Florian in Piazza San Marco, opening in 1720. It is still open for business today. The largest insurance market in the world, Lloyd's of London, began life as a coffeehouse. It was started in 1688 by Edward Lloyd, who prepared lists of the ships that his customers had insured.

The first literary reference to coffee being drunk in North America is from 1668 and, soon after, coffee houses were established in New York, Philadelphia, Boston and other towns. The Boston Tea Party Of 1773 was planned in a coffee house, the Green Dragon. Both the New York Stock Exchange and the Bank of New York started in coffeehouses in what is today known as Wall Street.

It's a good day when you learn something new, especially if you're an old Duffer... :hatsoff:

 

[Billnpatti]

I love tea but seem to gravitate to coffee more often. BTW, there is only one way to properly prepare boiled coffee. My great grandma taught me this method and she was never wrong.....she told me so. Place some clean cold water into your coffee boiler and as soon as it reaches a boil, you add your premeasured coffee grounds. Then immediately as soon as it returns to a boil, remove it from the fire and let it sit for a spell. Then dribble in some cold clean water to settle the grounds and it is ready. Sometimers when she had fixed some eggs for breakfast, she would crumble some of the egg shells into the coffee to settle it instead of using cold water. I don't know why she sometimes used cold water and sometimes use crumbled egg shells...you never questioned granny. You never actually boil coffee because it makes it bitter. Once all have mastered making boiled coffee, we will return to the subject and I shall explain the proper method of "saucering and blowing" ones coffee. And when I say "proper", I mean the one that is approved by my great granny.......she was always right. Remember? Hmmmm.....all this reminds me of her "cat head" biscuits.........yum, yum!

 

[gearheart]

My Grandfather was of the same school. The saucer was not for spill prevention. It was for cooling the coffee / tea to avoid scorching the tongue. :thumbsup:

 

[Billnpatti]

Absolutely! The correct method, as done by my great granny, she was always right, remember, was to carefully pour a portion of the steaming hot coffee from the cup into the saucer, blow gently to cool it and carefully pour it back into the cup. This was repeated several times until the cup of coffee was ready to drink. When she made coffee for my great grandpa, she would lovingly do this and then tell him "Coffee is ready. It's been "saucered and blowed, Papa".

 

[gearheart]

Wow. My grandpa was in the Ukraine. Half a world apart and the technique is exactly the same. :thumbsup: Your Grandma has to be right 'cause it's the same.

 

[Old Creek]

my folks did the same cept they drank from the saucer. i remember growing up when i was finally allowed to have some coffee at about 9 yrs old or so sitting in a cold kitchen way before day drinking from a saucer just like the growed men, nothin had ever tasted that good before. i have been keepin my eye peeled for some of those low lipped saucers to no avail.

creek

 

[Loyalist Dave]

I shall explain the proper method of "saucering and blowing" ones coffee....
....The saucer was not for spill prevention. It was for cooling the coffee / tea to avoid scorching the tongue....
... My grandpa was in the Ukraine. Half a world apart and the technique is exactly the same...
..., my folks did the same cept they drank from the saucer...

GADZOOKS! I BE SURROUNDED BY [strike]PEASANTS[/strike] COLONIALS!

The custom survives.



:haha:

LD

 

[M38]

I remember my dad drinking coffee from the saucer in the morning when he was in a hurry to get off to work.

 

[Rifleman1776]

In camp I toss a guesstimated amount of coffee into the pot, boil, let set a minute, pour and drink. After all this is ronny camp, the simple life.

 

[gearheart]

Peasants you say. I'll have you know that gramps was one of the wealthy "enemies of the state" that were ruined by the revolution over there. One had to be well off to afford a cup and saucer instead of a wooden mug. :thumbsup:

 

[Preacher Jeremy]

All this talk about cups and saucers. Here in Minnesota we like our coffee hot. From the pot to the cup, and from the cup to our mouths. none of this silly cooling the coffee with a saucer nonsense. :rotf:

 

[mooman76]

Coffee for me. When I was a kid I got hot tea when I was sick so I think I associate it with being sick.

 

[cynthialee]

I have a nice camp percolator. No cowboy coffee thank you.
Now I have had cowboy coffee plenty of times over the years, but if I have my say in the matter I have a percolator in the camp.

 

[tenngun]

I love tea when trecking since its so easy to make on the trail.I love coffee,but have been on a tea thirst latly.I work 12 hr night shifts and have been drinking tea at work.Fact is woods,wood campfire early camp watching the sun come up makes everything taste better

 

[Flint311]

Fact is woods,wood campfire early camp watching the sun come up makes everything taste better

:thumbsup:

 

[old ugly]

When making camp tea from leaf do you use something to strain the leaf or does it float in the cup?
Ou
Tom

 

[Black Hand]

When making camp tea from leaf do you use something to strain the leaf or does it float in the cup?
Ou
Tom

Most times, the leaves sink to the bottom.

 

[ADK Bigfoot]

Tea. Black tea. After all, tea and showers are what separate humans from the animal kingdom. Without both,we are animals or savages.

ADI Bigfoot

 

[tenngun]

Tea. Black tea. After all, tea and showers are what separate humans from the animal kingdom. Without both,we are animals or savages.

ADI Bigfoot

That might be true, but one school of thought holds that civilization started so as to have enough barley to make beer. We all stand on the shoulders of great(drinkers)men