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How is it that a coning tool doesn't mess up the ends of the lands & grooves?
Looks like somebody coned the muzzle on a .45cal TC RB barrel I just bought...extremely accurate so it obviously didn't have any bad effect...(plus I don't see any benefit it provides compared to my other .45's)...wondering how it's done...is a coning tool chucked in a drill motor like a drill bit?
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Has it already been a month since we had our monthly conning debate? How time flies!
Coning does "mess up" your lands and groved just like installing any crown on the muzzle of a barrel. Crowning a barrel recesses the end of the lands and groved to a protected position below the level of the end of the barrel.
A coned muzzle is just a muzzle with a crown, like any other muzzle, It's just a longer crown. As long as it is square to the axis of the bore it will shoot with accuracy.
TC has been conning their muzzles for years and you guys are claiming you can still shoot 3mm groups offhand at 50 yatds with them. Yep, that recess that allows you to slip the sabot or conical partly into the muzzle before it contacts the rifling is a CONED muzzle.
Please refer to the hundreds of pages of material that make up the other debates we have had on this subject, that are neatly stored in the archives.
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Coning does "mess up" your lands and groved just like installing any crown on the muzzle of a barrel. Crowning a barrel recesses the end of the lands and groved to a protected position below the level of the end of the barrel.
A coned muzzle is just a muzzle with a crown, like any other muzzle, It's just a longer crown. As long as it is square to the axis of the bore it will shoot with accuracy.
TC has been conning their muzzles for years and you guys are claiming you can still shoot 3mm groups offhand at 50 yatds with them. Yep, that recess that allows you to slip the sabot or conical partly into the muzzle before it contacts the rifling is a CONED muzzle.
Please refer to the hundreds of pages of material that make up the other debates we have had on this subject, that are neatly stored in the archives.
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Ghost...from the sound of your comments, maybe nobody should post at all anymore, and just look through the archives, this could be a totally quiet, research type space, eh?
Thanks, but if I have a question, I'll decide if and when I want to post it or not...you can simply not respond if it bothers you.
Roundball,
The conning tool is chucked in a 1/2 tap handle and you turn the barrel one way while turning the conning tool the other by hand. It will take about an hour+ to cone one depending on the barrel steel. By hand and twisting different directions keeps you from getting it off center or coned more on one side than the other. If you were chucked in drill and the drill was leaning one way more than the other it could ruin your barrel I suspect.
Packdog
The conning tool is chucked in a 1/2 tap handle and you turn the barrel one way while turning the conning tool the other by hand. It will take about an hour+ to cone one depending on the barrel steel. By hand and twisting different directions keeps you from getting it off center or coned more on one side than the other. If you were chucked in drill and the drill was leaning one way more than the other it could ruin your barrel I suspect.
Packdog
Thanks...this barrel obviously had something like that done...but I'm not even sure it would be called a "cone"...it just looks like an extroadinarily deep crown...much deeper than any factory crowning job and all the bluing was gone as well.
But it's still not deep enough to hold anything by itself...most of the ball is still up above the muzzle...I can sit a .45cal ball on a patch but still have to hold it in place with a thumb while getting the short starter brought to bear...can't figure out why it was done, unless it was intended to go deeper and for some reason the work was aborted...
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But it's still not deep enough to hold anything by itself...most of the ball is still up above the muzzle...I can sit a .45cal ball on a patch but still have to hold it in place with a thumb while getting the short starter brought to bear...can't figure out why it was done, unless it was intended to go deeper and for some reason the work was aborted...
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if it was coned you could throw your short starter away! you should be able to thumb a ball and patch then use your ram rod to seat the ball! :thumbsup: :redthumb: :hatsoff:
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if it was coned you could throw your short starter away! you should be able to thumb a ball and patch then use your ram rod to seat the ball! :thumbsup: :redthumb: :hatsoff:
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Ned Roberts gives a complete treatise on false muzzles in his book. They are a separate piece from the barrel itself.
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What did you do? open up the can?:relax:
Lehigh..
Yep! The whole can! This is nothing. Some of the arguments get really intense.
Coned muzzles are a delicate issue. Very delicate issue!!
It seems that some people object to alterations or impriovements to the end of their barrels. Matter of principle or something. Just the thought of it seems to make them squinch up and make a sour face!! ::
It's fun to start these things and them sit back and watch what happens!
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Good point.
We are always going to hear the same questions as new people get into the sport or people come across new information. The purpose of this Forum is to help clarify that information. If we can not address questions in a courteous manner, we should not respond at all. It serves no one to offer anything that is not helpful.
Every "sport/hobby" has it's beginners and the same questions must be answered over and over by those with more experience. That's the nature of it, so I suggest that everyone get used to it.
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Is a certain kind of pine better for coning than another?
(Sorry, couldn't resist).
(Sorry, couldn't resist).
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I think I got the Bristlecone version all stirred up on this thread!
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