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CVA 12ga. Shotgun??

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Chris Cade

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just bought a older model cva 12ga. from the classifieds and i'm wondering if anyone has any tips/loads for dove, duck, and buckshot/roundball for deer. please assume i know little to nothing about blackpowder shotguning. i measured the bore and it's .715" which comes in between improved and mod., approximately sheet II to be more precise. with this choke, i'm not planning on shooting and deer over 25-30 yards away with buckshot. i've searched the old posts and found some good places to start. i'm thinking of using the roundballs i use in my .32 cal. for buckshot. what kind of accuracy can i expect using roundballs at what ranges? this is the first year i've been excited about dove season opening in 20 years. thanx!
 
If your sxs is without choke tubes, it is a true cylinder bore, regardless of diameter. As for loads, I usually load 80gr. 2f for just about everything. I go to 90gr. for big game with rb's. 80gr measure will give you about 1oz of shot. That should cover all small game except pheasants where i go to 1 1/4oz. An op wad followed by 1/3 of a lubed cushion wad works very well without causing donut patterns. Lastly a os wad. RB loads also get 1/2 lubed cushion wad between powder and ball to prevent patch burn through. I use a 690RB. My gun seems to be well regulated putting both barrels, with rb, into a pie plate group at 40yds. Not bad for the creek bottom hell holes i hunt in. Good luck with your new toy.
 
I'm pretty sure that your .715 is the actual cylinder bore, not a choke.

However there are SxS muzzleloaders that have fixed chokes.

It is worth weighing your gun. With my 6 lb 12 and my 20, I use 1 ounce of 6 shot even for pheasants. With my 7.25 lb 12 I use 1 1/8 or even 1 1/4.

A one ounce measure of shot and FFg is a good square load. I usually use 75 grs (or 2 3/4 drams) and one ounce of 6 shot for game; 2 1/2, drams and about 3/4 ounce 8.5 shot on targets.

For ducks I go to 1 1/4 ounce 4's.
 
I have never heard of a CVA shotgun made with a Skeet I or II choke in it. They came in cylinder bore, and occasionally you hear of one that is cylinder bore in one barrel, and modified in the other. I have never seen this with a CVA, however.

I am going to assume that the barrels are cylinder bore, like mine.

I use 2 3/4 drams( 75 grains) of 2Fg powder, with 1 1/8 oz. shot. I use #8 shot for Dove. I use #5 shot for Pheasants, but load 1 1/4 oz of shot over 2 3/4 drams of powder for my pheasant loads.

I don't hunt ducks, as the barrel is NOT designed to take steel, or the other non-toxic shot, required for hunting migratory waterfowl.

I hunt deer but would never think of using lead Buck shot to kill such a fine animal. I know its used in some states, with deer the size of dogs, but I don't like it.

As to shooting RB out of a S X S shotgun, use a .690" diameter lead ball, with .020" thick or thicker patching, and an OP wad that adequately seals the gases behind the PRB. Try the 1/68" thick vegetable fiber wads sold by Track of the Wolf for 12 gauge guns. A wad should be tight enough to "squeak" when you run it down the barrel. If you get good accuracy from your gun, its a rare gun. If you get good grouping from both barrels( Ie. the balls fired from both barrels strike the same place at 35-50 yds.) you have an exceptional shotgun. Put some kind of rear sight on the gun if you intend to use it to shoot RBs at game. They deserve that much.

Powder charge can be 75-80 grains( 2 3/4-3 drams) of FFg powder. You don't need any more powder at the close ranges where you are likely to shoot at deer with such a gun. That HUGE ball will drive completely through most deer on any kind of torso hit.
 
paulvallandigham said:
I don't hunt ducks, as the barrel is NOT designed to take steel, or the other non-toxic shot, required for hunting migratory waterfowl.
C'mon, Paul - you know that not all non-toxic shot is incompatible with lead-capable barrels and traditional loading techniques. Both Bismuth/tin and Nice-Shot are currently in production and widely-enough available to suggest to someone, even if rather costly. OTOH, I still don't trust ITX without shot protection.


Try the 1/68" thick vegetable fiber wads sold by Track of the Wolf for 12 gauge guns.
.0147"? That's a mighty thin fiber wad :rotf: Or did you mean 1/8"? (Glad I'm not the only one who has trouble proofreading his own typing :grin: )

Regards,
Joel
 
Gosh, Joel, you found out I am human. You found a typo I missed. Yes, I meant a 1/8" Vegetable Fiber Wad.

As to the substitute shot, they may be available to you, but they are not so available here, yet, and the price is HORRIBLE.

I don't live where we have lots of waterfowl. This is pheasant country. I would have to travel almost 2 hours to get to the closest area where Goose hunting is permitted, and the daily bag limit in this zone is only one goose per DAY. Hardly worth the drive over and back, much less the cost of the required shot.

OLD CVA barrels are SOFTER than the new barrels designed for these new shot types. I would not use the substitute shot in even a modern, choked barrel without plastic shot cups, or a shot cup made of something else that is very thick. This gun is suppose to be an older CVA.

I once new a Veterinarian who lived and worked near Edmonton. He bought a bunch of decoys on a visit one Fall to my in-laws. He told me that between the liberal bag and possession limits, he could also obtain unlimited " Nuisance Permits" that let him shoot as many geese a day as he wanted. Now, that kind of hunting opportunity makes putting up with the shot restrictions, the high cost, etc. to go goose hunting.

I only know one friend who annually goes duck hunting on his uncle's property near the Illinois river. He shoots BP firearms on everything BUT ducks, when he uses a modern shotgun. I will have to ask him if he has broken down and is now buying and using the expensive non-toxic shot types and a BP shotgun for ducks. I have not raised the issue with him in years, as he was very depressed that he could not use BP shotguns to hunt ducks.

I find there is a great deal of difference in the amount of Enthusiasm for waterfowl hunting, depending on where you live, the Country, and the flyway restrictions on bag limits.

In the Midwest Flyway, the only geese we can shoot with a substantial bag limit are Blue and Snow Geese, much smaller species than Canadas, that come down the flyway in late January at the earliest- and can be flying down as late as March. I don't know anyone who looks forward to hunting them, because the few who have claim they taste terrible, due to what these species eat! They are so difficult to call into range, that the US F&W service now permits mechanical calls to be used to bring them into range. That is Not permitted with other species of ducks and goose.

The Waterfowl hunting dates are NOT always set by the US Dept. of Fish and Wildlife to coincide with that migration, however.

And, you usually have to make reservations with hunt clubs, as well as plan vacation time months in advance to secure a place to hunt them. If the birds aren't there, you have wasted the vacation time, which can't be taken another time, and usually forfeit your reservation fees for the hunt.

Those are the reasons I stopped hunting Waterfowl.

I do love to read stories and see pictures of other hunter's successful waterfowl hunt, so please, post pictures of your next successful hunt, and tell us about it! :surrender: :thumbsup:
 
as i said, i have very little experience with bp shotguns. i mic'ed the bore diameter at .715 which in modern shotguns would be between mod. and improved cyl, if it was choked. i have zero experience with cyl. bore. might be tempted to hunt geese as we have a no limit season that comes in several times during the fall and winter. there is a long tradition down south of hunting with buckshot. i have seen first hand what it can do in the hands of someone who knows it's limitations. while running deer with dogs one time, i watched my father kill three running does with three shots at about 50 yards. all three fell on top of each other in a neat pile. i may have to have screw in choked tubes installed to make the shotgun more versitile as i can't afford to buy too many more bp shotguns at this time. thanks for all ya'lls tips, i need all i can get.

chris
 
Chris: If you will take the locks out of the stock, and look at the insides, you will better understand the limits of this shotgun. The Navy Arms guns, and the Pedersoli shotguns are much better made guns. The CVA is a light shotgun, adequate for upland game, but its not a gun I would spend money on adding screw-in choke tubes, or planning on using to hunt waterfowl. I simply don't believe this gun is strong enough to allow the shooter to use if with duck and goose loads, or heavy buckshot loads too much, before it begins to come apart.
 
If that CVA SxS is as light as Paul suggests, it will take you apart, as much as the gun, with goose loads. So I would proceed with the discretion that Paul recommends.

Current Pedersoli 12 gauge guns weigh over 7 lbs, and I shoot 1 1/4 ounce loads with mine, and the recoil is manageable. I also have an elderly Pedersoli 12 gauge that weighs under 6 lbs (mikes at .713 and .715). It's a delight to carry, pointing and handling in a fashion reminiscent of a turn-of-the century British game gun. But, it was intended for British loads--so I rarely go over an ounce of shot in it. I find that an ounce of 6's is quite sufficient on pheasants out to thirty yards, and I have made longer shots as well.
 
paulvallandigham said:
As to the substitute shot, they may be available to you, but they are not so available here, yet, and the price is HORRIBLE.
No argument on the price, but Precision Reloading carries both bismuth and Nice-Shot, and there are other sources for at least Nice-Shot - dunno about bismuth. It comes down to how many shots you expect to fire and how much you want to use your front stuffer on waterfowl - or sometimes even on upland in some areas. Like everything, it's a personal cost vs. enjoyment decision for every individual.

Regards,
Joel
 

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