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CVA Mt Rifle A little history.

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Have just read this whole thread and found it very intersting reading. Thanks for sharing!
It's just a shame we still don't have an American company willing to produce a line of quality caplolcks!
 
Thanks so much for sharing this history of CVA! I think the Mountain Rifle was CVA's best looking offering they ever had! Can you post a pic of that '76 ad??

I wonder where Douglas barrel story came from?

Thanks again Hoosier!

I am from Indiana as well :thumbsup:
 
Wasn't thinking about them when I said that! :redface:
A company like TC, with their warranty policy would just about put the others out of business if they went for more athentic reprductions. There is a market, if there wasn't the overseas companies wouldn't stay in business.
 
Hi Patrick,
What part of Indiana?
I have never posted a picture but I really need to learn how because I have a lot of stuff I could share. I don't have a digital camera.
CVA's catalog from that era had a picture of a buffalo in a snow storm, that picture was taken by Steve Teeple of Teeple Studios right here in Kendallville. I went with them the day that picture was taken. There was a fellow who raised buffalo and it was right along the main hwy on the edge of town. He took some hay out to them and you can see it in the picture, he scattered it out so it wasn't obvious. I have one of those catalogs somewhere. Steve sent those pics to CVA to see if they wanted to buy them to use for advertising and he never heard from them and when the catalog came out they had used his pics. I don't know if he ever got paid for them.
Longball58
 
A plain rifle of about 38 inches with a quality flintlock and a stock made of a wood you at least know the name of manufactured in this country would sell here, if and only if, they actually let someone design it and then figure out how to build it. If they start the corperate thing on dissecting the gun to save pennies, changing things to eliminate steps in production, and all the other little cuts that process encourages, then the project is doomed from the start. We already have too many of those products in the pipeline as it is.
The other thing about factory guns is this. Who are they built for? I realize that if you don't use much drop you can get more blanks from the wood. I am a big guy and the toe of the Mountain rifle hits me on the top of my shoulder if I just bring it up to my face. I have been scrunching down over the top of muzzleloaders like that all my life. How about a factory gun with a stock made to fit a grown man!
Sorry, rant not directed at anyone. Just a pet peeve. That kind of factory kit would put a lot more flinters in the woods in my opinion.
 
longball58 said:
Hi Patrick,
What part of Indiana?
I have never posted a picture but I really need to learn how because I have a lot of stuff I could share. I don't have a digital camera.
CVA's catalog from that era had a picture of a buffalo in a snow storm, that picture was taken by Steve Teeple of Teeple Studios right here in Kendallville. I went with them the day that picture was taken. There was a fellow who raised buffalo and it was right along the main hwy on the edge of town. He took some hay out to them and you can see it in the picture, he scattered it out so it wasn't obvious. I have one of those catalogs somewhere. Steve sent those pics to CVA to see if they wanted to buy them to use for advertising and he never heard from them and when the catalog came out they had used his pics. I don't know if he ever got paid for them.
Longball58


Sir,

I am from Shirley Indiana, around 30 miles east of Indy!
 
longball58 said:
Hi Larry,
It is very close to that time frame maybe 76 I'm not sure,I have copies of thoe pics,I would dig out the 77 through 80 and see.I would like to read them again if you find it bring it along on Sat.
Regards Steve C.

Steve and I got together and the photos of Don Kammerer and Don Davis are attached. Also included is the letter sent by Dave Silk, then the president of CVA.
In the first pic Don Davis is holding his finger over the ball out in the white. There is more to the story, but it's told better by Steve Chapman.

Davis.jpg


Davis2001.jpg


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Regards,
Pletch
 
If you look closly at the target of Don Kammerer you can see his group is just a little high but it could be covered by a quarter and if it were centered I'm sure it would have been a 50! Thats a pretty good target for offhand with a brand new rifle right out of the box!
Longball 58
 
I have three CVA Mountain Rifles that I made from kits back in the late 70's, I guess. My first was a .50 caliber that I bought at a Gibson's store for $77, I think. Once I got the right patch/ball/powder combination, the gun was extremely accurate.

This was about the time Douglas was pulling out of the muzzle loading barrel business as well as I remember. I was always told the CVA Mountain Rifle barrels were made by Sharon.
 
CVA rifles even made it to Australia. I have a 36 year old .54 Mtn that I bought 3rd hand a little over 4 years ago. Goodness only knows how many thousands and thousands of shots it's fired in its life but I still win club events with it most months. Some club members look down their nose at it thinking it's one of those "cheap CVA's" but I've got the 1st place cards. Thanks for the great piece of history on them. I'd love to see more!
 
Hi folks,
I have noticed alot of intrest in the old CVA MT. rifles and have a little history for those who care.
The CVA MT. Rifle was born a 1/4 mile from my house, the very first rifle (prototype) was built for CVA by Don Kammerer, I was a teenager at the time. Don had a booth at Friendship and so did CVA and he became friends with Dave Silk who was the Pres. (and owner I think) and as Don was a common man he wanted to see an economical rifle on the market that was a little closer to a period style halfstock that was also a shooter. Dave Silk agreed and Don began working on a rifle that could be mass produced,looked good,and shot well. Dave took Don to Spain on several occasions and took a piece of a Douglas barrel with him and accually showed them how to make a proper barrel. I still have a cross sectioned piece of that very barrel he made in their factory.
I spent alot of time in Don's shop and watched him build that first rifle, the rifle had a Douglas barrel and the gun he used as a pattern I think was a J.P. Gemmer squirrel rifle, it was a little slimmer and lighter than a full blown Hawkin.
I have all of Don's stuff and I have pics of this rifle somewhere
CVA sent a fellow to work with Don for a summer to learn about building rifles. I was in the shop alot that summer and even went squirrel hunting with him but I am sorry to say I can't remember his name. I know he went to work for Lyman and was inspirational in the GPR.
CVA invited several gun writers on a Texas whitetail hunt to try out the "new MT Rifles" and Don was invited, the only other name I remember is John Wooters but I know there were others. There was a little booklet that came with the rifles then and there was a picture of Don on that hunt.
I don't think any of the production rifles had Douglas barrels just the prototype that Don built. The stocks on the Mt. Rifles were maple there other guns were beech or something but the MT Rifle was maple I have several and also still have one stock that is like one from a kit that I can build a rifle around.
Don Kammerer challenged Don Davis to a match(at Friendship) where Don D. could use his custom OH gun and Don K. went to the CVA booth and took one off of the shelf. They set up a match at the end of the day after the last regular relay they started shooting when Don Kammerer had finished he heard Don Davis shoot then scream something and when Don K. walked down there Don Davis said he had double charged and shot one out in the white so Don K. let Don Davis shoot another shot and Don Davis won the match by one point but there is a picture of Don Davis pointing at his target and has his finger over the bad shot. There was an article in Muzzle Blasts about this match years ago with pics this is how the off the shelf match got started.
Well I've rambled enough for now hope this was interesting to some of you,if I can remember any thing else I'll post it
Regards Longball 58
i have 3 long guns made by don kammerer.looking to sell them.trying to find more provenance on him.i heard some of his guns went overseas also.thanks
 
Really interesting stuff here, thanks to all who contributed. A lot of this early CVA history was happening when I first got into the game, I remember pouring over all the information I could find about the products of the day but the history offered here was mostly news to me. Speaking of products of that period, I too tried the Poly Patches.
 

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