Dangerous Custom Build

[Roy]

She joined a month ago, not yesterday... I am a member on a lot of forums and only read them.

 

[Roy]

read Shine's post.. I think he got it right. They were unsatisfied with the work that is a given, but didn't post anything until the second rifle's liner failed. Yes the topic got a bit off on the fit and finish, but it was started by both rifle's being declared not safe. :v

 

She joined a month ago, not yesterday... I am a member on a lot of forums and only read them.

I didn't say she joined "yesterday". Please read carefully.

Odd that she "knows" the OP and this is her first and only post.

On a forum, you'd call that a coincidence. In police work we call it a clue.

 

[Roy]

Thats it!! They are all crooked! Bent to destroy :haha: :shake:

 

Thats it!! They are all crooked! Bent to destroy :haha: :shake:

Since we don't know the facts, we can only guess at the truth from both sides. But, based on what has been posted (which we do know) I do not think this is "just about safety". I think the intent is to smear and discredit the builder, as the builder said he was told they would do. It appears that they have accomplished their goal. We have people saying that "those guns should never have been shipped" when we don;t know what condition they we when shipped.

People are smearing a gun builder without a shred of first hand knowledge. That's in itself is despicable.

 

[Roy]

Alrighty.. I know something about building, and something about having customers. I have had all sorts of customers, some that were more than decent and some that will most likely not deal with me ever again. Mostly because I had some of their projects longer than what I thought I would. I understand personal tragedy and needing to have more time and I know when to walk away from a build that I do not feel confident in doing. There is no shame in any of that. Would we all have done something different? Yes.

One of my favorite quotes
"With the benefit of hindsight, maybe it wasn't such a good idea"

 

[Fred_Dwyer]

The buyers made the mistake(s) of not complaining and returning the merchandis immediately.

I had brought this up before.

The offer had been made (by the builder) to take the guns back.

So the buyer, now, rather than kicking himself in the head, is kicking the builder in the head.

I find it rather hard to believe the builder would stuff the bore of a gun full of whatever detritus that was. I doubt it was a mouse nest, there was no mouse droppings visible. Though mouse pee would rot a barrel in no time at all I don't think a mouse would take up house-keeping in a 50 caliber.

The liner blowing out? that is nothing new. If one in 100,000 liners blow out, that could have just been that one.

 

[Roy]

Jack,
I trust a few people on this forum and this is one of them, what agenda would Lon have??

DoubleDeuce1 and Acorn Mush are friends of mine. They are two modest and trustworthy individuals.

:v

 

Jack,
I trust a few people on this forum and this is one of them, what agenda would Lon have??

DoubleDeuce1 and Acorn Mush are friends of mine. They are two modest and trustworthy individuals.

That may be proof enough for some, but it's not facts.

 

[Dphar]

Drilled vents are starting to sound better and better, aren't they.

If they cannot install a vent liner why would I trust the breech?
Its impossible to blow a properly installed vent liner out of a GOOD barrel. But there are a lot of barrels out there made of low grade materials.
There are vent liners that are under sized for the tap being used etc etc.
But the gun maker needs to be able to determine these things and CORRECT THEM during the build.
All barrels should be proved with an overload. I use a double charge and 2 balls. I shoot a normal load first then the proof charge.
see
http://youtu.be/6b-_ujH-KuA


Ready to light the fuze.

Light fuze and retreat behind cover.

Swamped barrels must not be clamped down except at the breech and muzzle unless carefully blocked to prevent bending the barrel.
This is not going to "prove" poor material choices but it should find gross flaws and assembly errors.
If a vent liner or other parts exposed to pressure are going to come adrift this should cause the failure in a safer situation than while in normal use.

Dan

 

[Roy]

Thats it!! They are all crooked! Bent to destroy :haha: :shake:

Since we don't know the facts, we can only guess at the truth from both sides. But, based on what has been posted (which we do know) I do not think this is "just about safety". I think the intent is to smear and discredit the builder, as the builder said he was told they would do. It appears that they have accomplished their goal. We have people saying that "those guns should never have been shipped" when we don;t know what condition they we when shipped.

People are smearing a gun builder without a shred of first hand knowledge. That's in itself is despicable.

It seems both parties are being smeared.. :v

 

[leslie]

+1 I can not speak for any one but me if I order anything and it shows up damaged or otherwise unacceptable I immediately contact the the vendor by phone and by certified mail notifying that I am returning the item and what I want to correct the matter.Its between me and the vendor only.I have extreme difficulty understanding why anyone would mess around with an unacceptable item then air out all the dirty laundry on here.Only after failure to resolve the difficulty with the vendor would I even consider posting a bad experience.

 

I have extreme difficulty understanding why anyone would mess around with an unacceptable item then air out all the dirty laundry on here.

According to the gun builder... "He followed this up by telling me essentially if I didn't accept his proposal, he would slander me on the many forums of which he is a member."

 

[David W.]

Actually, slander is a punishable crime. We should all know this.

 

[Roy]

I have extreme difficulty understanding why anyone would mess around with an unacceptable item then air out all the dirty laundry on here.

According to the gun builder... "He followed this up by telling me essentially if I didn't accept his proposal, he would slander me on the many forums of which he is a member."

Its still hearsay until proven otherwise.. :v

 

[Rifleman1776]

Actually, slander is a punishable crime. We should all know this.

It is a civil matter that would have to be proven court along with proof there was intent of malice included. Not easy to do.

 

I have extreme difficulty understanding why anyone would mess around with an unacceptable item then air out all the dirty laundry on here.

According to the gun builder... "He followed this up by telling me essentially if I didn't accept his proposal, he would slander me on the many forums of which he is a member."

Its still hearsay until proven otherwise.. :v

Agreed. As is everything that has been posted here so far, by both sides.

 

[Roy]

Well except for the photos. It could be argued that the sabotaged there own guns.. but I doubt it.
Now some of you may be asking why am I spending this much time on this topic?? Because I had one customer ask me if I have seen it and 2 more call up and ask about the integrity of an installed touch hole liner.

 

Well except for the photos. It could be argued that the sabotaged there own guns.. but I doubt it.
Now some of you may be asking why am I spending this much time on this topic?? Because I had one customer ask me if I have seen it and 2 more call up and ask about the integrity of an installed touch hole liner.

Not knowing when the photos were taken or how the damage happened, I can't comment on the photos.

"Stuff" happens. It's what people do after it happens that tells us a lot about the person.

If we take everyone at their word, the buyer had a chance to get his money back and chose not to. That alone makes me think the builder was trying to do the right thing from the start.

 

[Roy]

They were offered their money back when (and if) the guns were sold. This goes back to the whole trust thing. Personally I wouldn't want to be put in that situation as a buyer. As a builder I do not mail a gun out with out full payment.. I do not expect any different from anyone else.